Kyrie to Boston rumors heating up. Deal nearly complete

[Blotch]

I think so

his mid range game is one of the best in the league--- he finishes at the basket as good if not better than anyone--- his money from 3

he has no weakness offensively- AVery Bradley said he was the hardest player to guard--- if you play up on him he goes by you- if you sag off him he drills a 3 in your face. He can pull up in mid range extremely well too.

its just the fact that he has no interest in playing defense that holds him back

Yeah, I think that Kevin Durant is in a league of his own in that category.

 

[Blotch]

if Kyrie plays defense he can be a "super star"

until he does that- he will be in the 2nd tier of guys--- not up in the LeBron, Durant, Curry, Kawhi, Harden, RW, Davis, Towns, tier.....

hes sitll only 25---- and RW and Curry werent mvp types at 25---- but both at least try and play both sides of the court.

The Celtics defense and front court all of a sudden has huge question marks after losing Crowder and Bradley and not adding any PF or C.

Al Horford is a very skilled big man- but TT and Love eat him alive on the boards.

Compared to Harden or Curry, Irving is Dennis Rodman on defense.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Danny said Kyrie fits the Celtics' timeline better than IT.

My guess is were looking at 3 years to compete. Kyrie and Hayward still theoretically in their prime, Brown and Tatum coming into their own, and hopefully a collapse from GS and Cle.

Obviously more pieces are likely needed, but Danny has time to figure that out.

Nobody is competing with GS for the time being, to include you CAVS, so I'm fine with this.

Agreed on all that but how does losing the 2018 Nets pick fit with their timeline? They may have just shortened their window by trading that pick away. That pick was the key to me. Now, maybe Danny defends that by saying he was able to secure another top pick from the 76ers . . . but the Lakers pick needs to be 2-5 this year to convey, otherwise it's the Kings pick. And the Kings are looking like they could be a late lottery pick by 2019.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

i think its obvious he would come off the bench and be the slasher/playmaker surrounded by shooters--- an ideal role for him.

Chicago and Miami had shit 3 pt shooting around him in the past--- he will see the most open lanes he has seen in years.

and im not saying Wade would be an all star- far from it--- but he could DEFINITELY help the Cavs coming off the bench and making sure those scoring droughts dont occur when LBJ is on the bench---- something that Irving didnt do as well as I thought he would at.

TBH, I'm not sure.
It might work better if he starts.
It will take time to figure out, so the sooner it happens, the better for the Cavs.

 

[gordontrue]

This is probably easy to say as someone who is more of a LeBron fan than a Cavs fan.... BUT...

I really think the Cavs should be ready to move the BKN pick if a good opportunity presents itself.

1) The pick is likely more valuable right now than it will be come the draft. Even if the Nets finish dead last, the odds of a top-2 pick are below 50%. If they finish better than the bottom 4 - the odds of getting a top-3 pick are less than 30%. Right now, other GM's will be fantasisizing about Bagley and Porter - Cavs can use that to their advantage despite the fact that this pick is not likely to result in one of those guys.

2) The better equipped the Cavs roster is to contend, the harder it will be for LeBron to leave. The Cavs want LeBron to look around and realize there isn't any situation better than the one he's already in.

3) Opportunites to contend for a title don't come around often - especially for a city like Cleveland. Make the most of it. Right now, the consensus is that the Cavs are still a notch below Golden State. One more significant piece could change that and make the Cavs true contenders.

If the chance to swap that pick for Marc Gasol, or DeAndre Jordan, or DeMarcus Cousins presents itself... they should do it.

 

[knowyourenemy]

Compared to Harden or Curry, Irving is Dennis Rodman on defense.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

To be fair, while I don't like or agree with what Kyrie did, I can kind of understand why he did it. The Cavs were set to be his team. They were slowly building their way to being a good team with Kyrie as the face of the franchise.

Then Lebron decided to return to Cleveland and they changed from building for the future to "win now."

Aside from probably tiring of being the little brother, he probably felt a bit like he was pushed to the side as the Cavs began capitulating to every demand Lebron made.

Don't get me wrong, I think that it's pretty shortsighted of him to do this when he's making the finals every year and he's still young enough that the Cavs could have built around him once Lebron left. But I can somewhat understand where he's coming from.

Than he;s in for a rude awakening, cause Gordon Hayward is about to own Boston for the next 6-7 years

 

[Black Adam]

Kind of like Durant eliminating James again?

now THAT was "must watch T.V...

 

[Blotch]

To be fair, while I don't like or agree with what Kyrie did, I can kind of understand why he did it. The Cavs were set to be his team. They were slowly building their way to being a good team with Kyrie as the face of the franchise.

Then Lebron decided to return to Cleveland and they changed from building for the future to "win now."

Aside from probably tiring of being the little brother, he probably felt a bit like he was pushed to the side as the Cavs began capitulating to every demand Lebron made.

Don't get me wrong, I think that it's pretty shortsighted of him to do this when he's making the finals every year and he's still young enough that the Cavs could have built around him once Lebron left. But I can somewhat understand where he's coming from.

The Cavs did the best with what they could do.

They gave James two very good players for his last season in Cleveland. Set themselves up to pay IT a max deal next year. You're not winning a title with him as your best guy, but he's fun to watch, will keep the Cavs in the playoffs and will endear himself to Cleveland.

And they got a primo draft pick to help jumpstart the long rebuild.

The Celtics got better and the Cavs got worse. But it shouldn't stop Cleveland from giving the Celtics a a hell of a series if LeBron has another Superman year in his body. And it set Cleveland up to not be in complete ruin post-Lebron like they were in 2011.

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

the minute he whined his way out of a 5 year contract after 2 years --- WHILE hes getting paid the max money- WHILE he was making Finals after Finals--

obviously he is still pure electricity to watch on the court--- he is the funnest player in the league to watch because he is prob the most versatile scorer in the league-- hes INCREDIBLY clutch and thrives under the pressure----

but yah--- whine your way out of a 5 year contract after 2 years- when you are getting paid max money while making finals after finals will change your perspective about a guy-- as a person anyway- not as a player

as a player- offensviely- Durant is prob better- but thats it.

I agree about the whining part while under contract, but that seems to be the new norm now.
We know he's not the brightest bulb.
He was smart enough to know that LeBron was ending his chances of becoming all NBA while playing with him.
I can't blame a guy for wanting his potential big pay day, even though I disagree with the way he went about it.

 

[Blotch]

Than he;s in for a rude awakening, cause Gordon Hayward is about to own Boston for the next 6-7 years

There's room for more than one guy in Boston. Always has been.

 

[Vyle203]

Agreed on all that but how does losing the 2018 Nets pick fit with their timeline? They may have just shortened their window by trading that pick away. That pick was the key to me. Now, maybe Danny defends that by saying he was able to secure another top pick from the 76ers . . . but the Lakers pick needs to be 2-5 this year to convey, otherwise it's the Kings pick. And the Kings are looking like they could be a late lottery pick by 2019.

Don't get me wrong, I HATE HATE HATE giving up that pick, and it shouldn't have been included. I'm just trying to get into Danny's head a little bit and I think it makes sense to him, partially because he overvalues Kyrie. But I also think he has a lot of faith in the picks he's made the last 2 years to be difference makers in 3 years.

 

[Black Adam]

I know!!!



unbelievable.

I cant wait to get this season started now.....honestly------- Iwas thinking id wake up one morming and see Irving dealt for like Bledsoe and Dragan Bender and a shitty first rounder..lol.


dont forget maybe Bosh coming offth e bench too!! ;0

wait, you actually think this is a good thing...?

 

[TurnUpTheHeat]

and be real

Jr shot .500 from 3 in the playoffs.....during the regular season he dealt with injuries and the premature birth of his daughter.

the year before he shot 40% from 3...the year before he shot 39% from 3 with the Cavs


ill bet you whatever you want that Smith shoots better than 35% from 3 this year....he will rain triples - just as he has.

Who cares?
End result isn't changing.
He's a better shooter then Wade, no doubt, but I'll still take healthy Wade all 7 days of the week.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

There's room for more than one guy in Boston. Always has been.

Depends on the player....irving is clearly demonstrating his need to be "The Man".......Its not an indictment on Boston, as much as Irving, Hayward is going to be the modern day Larry Bird in terms of how fans react to him

 

[The Q]

If you troll, make it less obvious....................................

If you don't think this was anal rapage, go get some mental help.

Danny blew it here. And blew any chance of this team winning a title.

 

[gordontrue]

There's room for more than one guy in Boston. Always has been.

Implying the same isn't the case in Cleveland.

I get that LeBron's shadow is as big as they get among active leaders. But lets not pretend that Kyrie didn't lead the Cavs in usage and get just as many clutch touches as LeBron. IMO, he had every bit of room he could ever want when it comes to on-the-court play.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Who cares?
End result isn't changing.
He's a better shooter then Wade, no doubt, but I'll still take healthy Wade all 7 days of the week.

Me too, but not really saying much....Dwayne Wade was the worst player on the court every game during the collapse to Boston last year....But yeah, he is prob better than JR Smith

 

[Blotch]

Agreed on all that but how does losing the 2018 Nets pick fit with their timeline? They may have just shortened their window by trading that pick away. That pick was the key to me. Now, maybe Danny defends that by saying he was able to secure another top pick from the 76ers . . . but the Lakers pick needs to be 2-5 this year to convey, otherwise it's the Kings pick. And the Kings are looking like they could be a late lottery pick by 2019.

The Celtics still have the #6 pick from 2014, the #3 pick from 2016 and the #3 pick from 2017. Not to mention a pile of other potential players drafted in the first round the past two years.

Plus another handful of first round picks in the next three years.

I understand that the Brooklyn pick was a prime asset, but saying that one lottery pick in a sea of other picks/players taken with comparable picks is "the key."

 

[gordontrue]

Did Wade suddenly develop a 3-point shot?

I mean... kinda, yeah