Kyrie, a Free & Despised Man.

[shopson67]

Cmon man.

If that were true, he would have a job.

He is No better than Josh Johnson who is a 3rd stronger.

He didn’t get blackballed.

He wasn’t good enough to be starter, and nobody wanted the baggage with their backup QB.

That's crap. Look at his last season's stats. He was worthy of a job somewhere, but the conservative 'Murican NFL owners shunned him.

 

[tlance]

That's crap. Look at his last season's stats. He was worthy of a job somewhere, but the conservative 'Murican NFL owners shunned him.

Stats don’t tell the story.

He was in a very similar spot to where Jameis Winston was 2 years ago. His play got worse every season. The 9ers were waivering on whether or not they wanted to extend him before the kneeling started.

If Kaep were better at football, he would have had a job.

 

[Batman]

Let me guess, you don't feel the same about Kaepernick....

I see the situations as very similar.

They both took principled stands and they both took a hit with the fans.

The fact that one set of people disagreed with Kap's principles and another set disagreed with Kyrie's doesn't change that.

They are both free men and acted as free men.
Holding to your beliefs when everyone agrees with you is meaningless.
Holding to your beliefs in the face of public derision takes character.

 

[msgkings322]

I see the situations as very similar.

They both took principled stands and they both took a hit with the fans.

The fact that one set of people disagreed with Kap's principles and another set disagreed with Kyrie's doesn't change that.

They are both free men and acted as free men.
Holding to your beliefs when everyone agrees with you is meaningless.
Holding to your beliefs in the face of public derision takes character.

What if your beliefs are ridiculous? Setting aside being anti-vax, let's say you want to die on the hill of never wearing pants. Your team threatens to release you if you refuse to wear pants, but you will not submit. You are a free man (too free really), and receive tons of public derision. Does that take character? Are you confusing character with stubborn idiocy perhaps?

Or to take it darker, you insist on not playing with black players. Your team brings in a black teammate but by god you are not going to abandon your principles and you quit the team. Character?

 

[Batman]

What if your beliefs are ridiculous? Setting aside being anti-vax, let's say you want to die on the hill of never wearing pants. Your team threatens to release you if you refuse to wear pants, but you will not submit. You are a free man (too free really), and receive tons of public derision. Does that take character? Are you confusing character with stubborn idiocy perhaps?

Or to take it darker, you insist on not playing with black players. Your team brings in a black teammate but by god you are not going to abandon your principles and you quit the team. Character?

Fair point.
Some beliefs are objectively ridiculous.

But consider, at one point a doctor would have been derided for opposing "bleeding" a patient, because that was accepted science for hundreds of years.
We should hesitate to penalize the beliefs of others. Almost all belief is personal and subjective. A free country is going to have diverse beliefs.

That said, I don't think the positions taken by Kap, Ali and Kyrie come anywhere near being objectively ridiculous.
Kyrie's position is neither pro-vax or anti-vax.
He just believes the Covid vax is not right for him.
Considering his age and physical condition, that is not a ridiculous belief.

 

[shopson67]

Fair point.
Some beliefs are objectively ridiculous.

But consider, at one point a doctor would have been derided for opposing "bleeding" a patient, because that was accepted science for hundreds of years.
We should hesitate to penalize the beliefs of others. Almost all belief is personal and subjective. A free country is going to have diverse beliefs.

That said, I don't think the positions taken by Kap, Ali and Kyrie come anywhere near being objectively ridiculous.
Kyrie's position is neither pro-vax or anti-vax.
He just believes the Covid vax is not right for him.
Considering his age and physical condition, that is not a ridiculous belief.

His derision isn't based solely on being anti-vax, however. Plus, state regulations supersede league regulations, so his fight isn't necessarily only with his team but to a higher level than that.