Kuma To Dodgers

[NWinAZ]

Rotoworld Baseball ‏@Rotoworld_BB 32s33 seconds ago

Dodgers agree to deal with Hisashi Iwakuma http://SportsHoopla.com/p3pw9ta

 

[NWinAZ]

I would rather have the pick and sign Leake though we won't get him either.

 

[NWinAZ]

So another fail for Jack who didn't/couldn't trade him at the deadline which assuredly would have gotten more back than a draft pick in the late 30's early 40's.

 

[Sharkonabicycle]

Ugh... the Mariners don't know when to fire sale. START TRADING THESE GUYS! Let's start building a good team from the INSIDE... yah, get some good minor prospects, coach them up (oh that's right, the Ms don't know how to do that) and build a team the right way.

Can we trade Felix and Cruz already? Both could get some great talent at the minor position. Sadly we're stuck with Cano because of the ridiculous contract but otherwise...

 

[SeattleCoug]

Ahhh the narrative that holding onto him last summer would make it easier to resign him the winter. So shocked that didn't play out.
For the record I'm glad they didn't bend over backwards to sign him. Leads me to think Dipoto really is calling the shots which gives me hope.

 

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Source: #Mariners making progress on trade for #RedSox’s Miley.

 

[DHoey]

So another fail for Jack who didn't/couldn't trade him at the deadline which assuredly would have gotten more back than a draft pick in the late 30's early 40's.

What makes you think that Jack would have gotten more back? I will take a Dipoto Draft Pick over a Jack Z throw-away player.

 

[NWinAZ]

What makes you think that Jack would have gotten more back? I will take a Dipoto Draft Pick over a Jack Z throw-away player.

And Dipoto has done what with trades? He has gotten raped on every deal. He makes Bavasi look like a genius. And Jack (and I usually don't defend Jack) is the one that signed Kuma. What has Dipoto done? Aoki has been the only positive move he has made.

 

[DHoey]

And Dipoto has done what with trades? He has gotten raped on every deal. He makes Bavasi look like a genius. And Jack (and I usually don't defend Jack) is the one that signed Kuma. What has Dipoto done? Aoki has been the only positive move he has made.

What has he done? He's shored up an outfield, improved the worst position on the team last year (catcher), cut loose Trumbo and his 9 million to invest in a player with more upside.

And to say that he "got raped" in every trade is just dumb. The trade with TB was good, and letting Trumbo go will probably turn out for the better.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Would've rather (drastically) overpaid for Kuma and kept Elias and Smith.

 

[NWinAZ]

What has he done? He's shored up an outfield, improved the worst position on the team last year (catcher), cut loose Trumbo and his 9 million to invest in a player with more upside.

And to say that he "got raped" in every trade is just dumb. The trade with TB was good, and letting Trumbo go will probably turn out for the better.

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Improved our outfield defense, yes. Better offense from outfield, nah.

Cut loose Trumbo who had one of the best RBI per AB's on the team, but who needs a guy that can drive in runs at Safeco? Those guys grow on trees.

Improved the catcher position with a .188 hitter???

Tampa trade was Karns for Miller, Morrison, and Farquhar. Powell is a 22 year old defensive CF who can't hit. We have Bishop who is a 22 year old defensive CF that can't hit. We have Cousino who is a 22 year old defensive CF who can't hit. We have Ian Miller who is a 23 year old defensive CF who can't hit. I guess you can't have too many of those in your system.

 

[seahawksfan234]

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Improved our outfield defense, yes. Better offense from outfield, nah.

Cut loose Trumbo who had one of the best RBI per AB's on the team, but who needs a guy that can drive in runs at Safeco? Those guys grow on trees.

Improved the catcher position with a .188 hitter???

Tampa trade was Karns for Miller, Morrison, and Farquhar. Powell is a 22 year old defensive CF who can't hit. We have Bishop who is a 22 year old defensive CF that can't hit. We have Cousino who is a 22 year old defensive CF who can't hit. We have Ian Miller who is a 23 year old defensive CF who can't hit. I guess you can't have too many of those in your system.

My bigger concern was I always saw Trumbo as a guy who was raw, even though he had a lot of ABs in the majors I felt like he had more potential than he was displaying. I'm obviously cherry-picking my statistics, but after Edgar came in, Trumbo hit around .290 for the remainder of the season at his current AB/HR rate.

I do like the Iannetta trade though. Gets on base more than any other catcher in the organization, and I expect his BA to rebound up to .220 at the least, .240 at best. A 2013 campaign offensively is what I'd expect from Iannetta, with 2014 being optimistic. Considering the trash the Mariners had at catcher last year, going from historically bad to mediocre/average is a huge improvement.

 

[NWinAZ]

I do like the Iannetta trade though. Gets on base more than any other catcher in the organization, and I expect his BA to rebound up to .220 at the least, .240 at best. A 2013 campaign offensively is what I'd expect from Iannetta, with 2014 being optimistic. Considering the trash the Mariners had at catcher last year, going from historically bad to mediocre/average is a huge improvement.

A marginal offensive improvement at catcher won't do anything to improve win totals I am afraid. I will take Zunino with a stud 1B anytime over this minimal improvement.

 

[seahawksfan234]

A marginal offensive improvement at catcher won't do anything to improve win totals I am afraid. I will take Zunino with a stud 1B anytime over this minimal improvement.

I would take Zunino with a stud 1B as well, but we don't have that.

I do think that Chris Iannetta does improve the catcher position significantly, but that's primarily based on the fact that I expect a drastic improvement from him at the plate that would echo his 2013-2014 production, which would be a huge improvement from the collective .160 or whatever BA that the Mariners produced in 2015.

The fact is that there aren't many catchers on the market the Mariners realistically could've gone for. Iannetta is a buy low option with solid upside at a relatively cheap price.

 

[NWinAZ]

The fact is that there aren't many catchers on the market the Mariners realistically could've gone for. Iannetta is a buy low option with solid upside at a relatively cheap price.

Ianetta was the highest signed catcher in this off season and he is paid more than LuCroy and Perez (KC). I wouldn't say he was cheap.

 

[SeattleCoug]

Hmmm was wondering why this wasn't finalized. Not sure how this shakes out. Stay tuned I guess

 

[NWinAZ]

Read they were trying to rework deal. But that also means there is an opening for M's if he wants back and M's willing to spend.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Read they were trying to rework deal. But that also means there is an opening for M's if he wants back and M's willing to spend.

Unfortunately it looks like the Mariners have already gone with their plan B. And if the moves made this season tell us anything, it says that the Mariners either don't have, or are unwilling to shell out another $15m in payroll.

 

[NWinAZ]

Unfortunately it looks like the Mariners have already gone with their plan B. And if the moves made this season tell us anything, it says that the Mariners either don't have, or are unwilling to shell out another $15m in payroll.

Unless his countrymen make an exception.

 

[seahawksfan234]

Unless his countrymen make an exception.

Lol forgot about that angle of it.