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Dolan has been the Knicks biggest problem for decades. He was in charge for about an hour when Van Gundy couldn't take it and left in the first couple dozen games of the season and it's been a clusterfuck ever since. Isiah Thomas was an embarrassment who he kept around forever. On top of his horrible trades, free agent pick ups and drafting Thomas' inappropriate actions cost them a 10 mil settlement in court. Then he put him in charge of MSG's WNBA team. You just can't make that up. Hiring Phil Jackson who had checked out was a disgrace and cost them dearly.

On the Rangers end, he put Glen Sather in charge and they missed the playoffs the first 5 or 6 years. They got saved because a guy named Henrik Lundquist, who was drafted as a 17 year old before Sather took over by Don Maloney, turned out to be the real deal. The 2004-2005 strike also allowed them to shed some bad contracts Sather had stacked up. Even after that Lundquist was basically the whole team. When Henrik took them to the cup finals their lead scorer was Zuccarello with 58 points. Just 2 years ago Dolan pulled some shit and John Davidson who amassed the young talent they have now left.
Worst owner in sports.

*I wouldn't go that far.
Worst in the NBA?
Yep. Definitely.

NHL?
Not sure. I haven't been following hockey closely since the '90's.

*There are some current owners in MLB and NFL who could give Dolan a run for that title.

 

[Cyder]

Great post…

I don’t know if you are completely correct with van gundy leaving

I think he got totally stressed coaching..

Esp after all the brawls he broke up , dude loved the game and players so much I think he walked for that reason more than Dolan. I could be wrong , but I think that is reason why he left Knicks

I vaguely remember the Van Gundy thing but he left 19 games into the season. Maybe it was a combo of both

 

[Cyder]

*I wouldn't go that far.
Worst in the NBA?
Yep. Definitely.

NHL?
Not sure. I haven't been following hockey closely since the '90's.

*There are some current owners in MLB and NFL who could give Dolan a run for that title.

He's been pretty hands off on the hockey team but Lundqvist covered up some hideous decisions and then when he got old they weren't good and have stumbled on another goalie that carried them last year.

 

[Pastafazul]

He's been pretty hands off on the hockey team but Lundqvist covered up some hideous decisions and then when he got old they weren't good and have stumbled on another goalie that carried them last year.

He was hands off the rangers cause he had 100% confidence in Sather.

Who could he have brought in and had the same for the Knicks?

 

[Cyder]

He was hands off the rangers cause he had 100% confidence in Sather.

Who could he have brought in and had the same for the Knicks?

He decided to have 100% confidence in Isiah Thomas. He should have let Donny Walsh continue to run the team without his interference. Maybe it works maybe it doesn't but it couldn't have gone worse.

 

[Pastafazul]

He decided to have 100% confidence in Isiah Thomas. He should have let Donny Walsh continue to run the team without his interference. Maybe it works maybe it doesn't but it couldn't have gone worse.

I agree 100%.

 

[Pastafazul]

Pretty sure you were not watching Knicks vs bucks last night , but if you did , you would have heard it as clear as day from Clyde talkin bout the Knicks home losin record vs the .500 record on road sayin it was the result of playin under the pressure of MSG.

 

[tlance]

Pretty sure you were not watching Knicks vs bucks last night , but if you did , you would have heard it as clear as day from Clyde talkin bout the Knicks home losin record vs the .500 record on road sayin it was the result of playin under the pressure of MSG.

And the best of the best thrive under that pressure. Even seek it out.

Problem is, Knicks haven’t been a realistic possibility for superstar players due to roster management incompetence.

 

[Pastafazul]

And the best of the best thrive under that pressure. Even seek it out.

Problem is, Knicks haven’t been a realistic possibility for superstar players due to roster management incompetence.

Dude, if you don’t see by now that most of these superstars in the NBA need psychological help I don’t know what to say .

 

[tlance]

Dude, if you don’t see by now that most of these superstars in the NBA need psychological help I don’t know what to say .

Well, then you aren’t working off the same definition of superstar that I am.

LeBron, Giannis, Luka, Tatum, Embiid, Jokic, Durant, Curry

Probably missing a couple since I made the list off the top of my head, but superstars are the best of the best. Kyrie and Simmons aren’t superstars.

And from that list, only 1 you can even make a case for needing psychological help. And he has 2 rings.

 

[Pastafazul]

Well, then you aren’t working off the same definition of superstar that I am.

LeBron, Giannis, Luka, Tatum, Embiid, Jokic, Durant, Curry

Probably missing a couple since I made the list off the top of my head, but superstars are the best of the best. Kyrie and Simmons aren’t superstars.

And from that list, only 1 you can even make a case for needing psychological help. And he has 2 rings.

No, I’m not workin off the same definition cause to me a superstar plays on a team with a much better than .500

Only 3 of the players you mention off the top of your head have a winning record.

I know it’s early on, but we haven’t gotten to injury or load mgmt yet. Lol

 

[tlance]

No, I’m not workin off the same definition cause to me a superstar plays on a team with a much better than .500

Only 3 of the players you mention off the top of your head have a winning record.

I know it’s early on, but we haven’t gotten to injury or load mgmt yet. Lol

You are putting too much context on team.

All those guys capable of carrying team to playoffs.

Just might not happen for all this year.

And if the rest of the roster is crap, even the best player in the league isn’t going anywhere.

 

[Pastafazul]

And the best of the best thrive under that pressure. Even seek it out.

This is such crap I don’t even know where to begin…

What you are saying is that one man in 9 million people, 1 man in biggest market in the game, 1 man with an arena that hosts many celebrities, 1 man with one of the most lucrative opportunities in endorsements, 1 man with the most knowledgeable fan base is keeping a superstar from playing in the worlds most famous arena.

Cmon man!

 

[Wamu]

This is such crap I don’t even know where to begin…

What you are saying is that one man in 9 million people, 1 man in biggest market in the game, 1 man with an arena that hosts many celebrities, 1 man with one of the most lucrative opportunities in endorsements, 1 man with the most knowledgeable fan base is keeping a superstar from playing in the worlds most famous arena.

Cmon man!

You just don't get it.

Just this century. Through all the changes, coaches/GM's/players, the only thing that's stayed the same is the owner.

Now if everything keeps changing but one thing stays the same how can that one thing not be the main problem?

Players don't want to play for him. But for some reason you refuse to accept that.

 

[Pastafazul]

You just don't get it.

Just this century. Through all the changes, coaches/GM's/players, the only thing that's stayed the same is the owner.

Now if everything keeps changing but one thing stays the same how can that one thing not be the main problem?

Players don't want to play for him. But for some reason you refuse to accept that.

Not one player ever said they wouldn’t play for him. You think these superstars today are shy , about anything?

What is different today from yesterday’s superstar to today’s superstar is the mental approach to the game imo. You know dam well the physical game is pretty much done.

They don’t want anything to fool up their meal ticket in any respect. Everyday they would show up to MSG some reporter tryin to make a name for him or herself is gonna ask the tough questions.

They don’t want to be bothered, nor do they have too be.

 

[Wamu]

Not one player ever said they wouldn’t play for him. You think these superstars today are shy , about anything?

What is different today from yesterday’s superstar to today’s superstar is the mental approach to the game imo. You know dam well the physical game is pretty much done.

They don’t want anything to fool up their meal ticket in any respect. Everyday they would show up to MSG some reporter tryin to make a name for him or herself is gonna ask the tough questions.

They don’t want to be bothered, nor do they have too be.

Once you accept this fact the quicker you'll get over things.

Over the last 20+ years the players/coaches/GM's have all changed. The only thing that hasn't changed is the owner.

It can't be said any clearer than that. And yet you still don't get it.

For you is this really about the Knicks or do you just wanna complain about todays players and where the league is?

Because right now the league has never had this much talent at one time. It's exciting to watch. Maybe you just don't like the NBA?

 

[Pastafazul]

Once you accept this fact the quicker you'll get over things.

Over the last 20+ years the players/coaches/GM's have all changed. The only thing that hasn't changed is the owner.

It can't be said any clearer than that. And yet you still don't get it.

For you is this really about the Knicks or do you just wanna complain about todays players and where the league is?

Because right now the league has never had this much talent at one time. It's exciting to watch. Maybe you just don't like the NBA?

No , I won’t cause you’re argument makes much less sense than mine…

If he were that bad of an owner the NY Rangers would be experiencing the same exact thing. If Dolan is hands on with the Knicks what makes you think he wouldn’t be with the rangers ?

Basketball and hockey have almost the same exact blueprint for building a successful franchise . The simple fact that you don’t agree with this is where the problem lies.

Ohh and BTW. Same thing has happened with the rangers , new GM s , coaches and players have changed throughout his 20 year ownership. The only difference is that star hockey players play for Dolan, but star basketball players won’t!

Can’t make it anymore simple than that!

And you’re dam right , the nba players are being paid A ton of more money than hockey players. A TON!!! And that also is where the biggest problem lies.

No, I love the game of basketball, but right now college ball has more interest, and there’s a big reason for it.

 

[tlance]

Not one player ever said they wouldn’t play for him. You think these superstars today are shy , about anything?

What is different today from yesterday’s superstar to today’s superstar is the mental approach to the game imo. You know dam well the physical game is pretty much done.

They don’t want anything to fool up their meal ticket in any respect. Everyday they would show up to MSG some reporter tryin to make a name for him or herself is gonna ask the tough questions.

They don’t want to be bothered, nor do they have too be.

You don’t get it man.

It isn’t:

“I won’t play for the Knicks because Dolan is there”

It is:

“I won’t play for the Knicks because they have shown no semblance of competence from the front office during Dolan’s tenure”

IF he hired the right people and stayed out of the way NY could become attractive again to superstar free agents.

But he has shown zero indication that will ever happen.

Success in the NHL couldn’t be less relevant to NBA players.

 

[Pastafazul]

You don’t get it man.

It isn’t:

“I won’t play for the Knicks because Dolan is there”

It is:

“I won’t play for the Knicks because they have shown no semblance of competence from the front office during Dolan’s tenure”

IF he hired the right people and stayed out of the way NY could become attractive again to superstar free agents.

But he has shown zero indication that will ever happen.

Success in the NHL couldn’t be less relevant to NBA players.

I can’t even get through the entire post cause it is nonsense..

If a star player signed to play here the Knicks would immediately become a contender!

The front office could have Barney the Dinosaur running it only if they had a superstar and support and it would not matter

 

[tlance]

I can’t even get through the entire post cause it is nonsense..

If a star player signed to play here the Knicks would immediately become a contender!

The front office could have Barney the Dinosaur running it only if they had a superstar and support and it would not matter

For the 9 millionth time:

A star player CANT sign there. Even if they wanted to.

Because they have wasted all their cap space on mediocre vets.

They make bad decision after bad decision chasing a couple extra wins on a mediocre roster.