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Kirk Cousins exposed - the truth about this bum

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I don't necessarily believe that RG3 failed because of a lack of commitment or being a "diva". Russell Wilson uses social media a heck of lot more than RG3 & it doesn't seem to impact him. Endorsements & the like really don't take that much time away from football practice. The media really overplayed this aspect. They did everything possible to build him up so that they could subsequently tear him to pieces.

Instead you quite possibly can attribute this to RG3 just not being good enough to be a starting NFL QB & perhaps never being one (short of using a gimmick offense that was only short term). If this is the case then there really is no shame in this. 99.99% of the population is not good enough to be an NFL QB. The number of current effective NFL QBs at this time is probably less than 10.

I am not sure why there is so much hate at the current time for RG3. The guy is keeping his mouth shut & not doing anything wrong IMO. The past is the past - let it go. Barring a miracle - the Redskins will cut ties with him in the not too distant future & fans can simply focus on whoever is the QB at that time (I truly doubt that is Cousins but would love to be pleasantly surprised).

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I think drafting Cousins in the 4th round suggested that the Shanahan's were not all in on Griffin being drafted.

Just like with some things last season this is likely a symptom of dysfunction that existed at the time in the organization. I truly believe that this will be corrected moving forward with SM. Either he works it out with Gruden or he subsequently finds a new coach (that SM pretty much selects on his own) who is onboard with the overall philosophy. In most cases an organization needs to have everyone in sync for it to be successful.
 

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Luck started day 1. Luck is coachable. Luck wasn't ROY.

RG3 was ROY but isn't coachable. He is what he is. An athlete that refuses to improve his craft.

BTW - Luck is pretty much doing terrible thus far this season. I am pretty sure he will turn this around. However - could you imagine if one of the Skins QB played exactly like him this season - we would never hear the end of it. It is amusing how the media is never objective & doesn't actually report what happens on the field. Instead - it is all about the athlete's persona & whether that person is likable.
 

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I don't necessarily believe that RG3 failed because of a lack of commitment or being a "diva". Russell Wilson uses social media a heck of lot more than RG3 & it doesn't seem to impact him. Endorsements & the like really don't take that much time away from football practice. The media really overplayed this aspect. They did everything possible to build him up so that they could subsequently tear him to pieces.

Instead you quite possibly can attribute this to RG3 just not being good enough to be a starting NFL QB & perhaps never being one (short of using a gimmick offense that was only short term). If this is the case then there really is no shame in this. 99.99% of the population is not good enough to be an NFL QB. The number of current effective NFL QBs at this time is probably less than 10.

I am not sure why there is so much hate at the current time for RG3. The guy is keeping his mouth shut & not doing anything wrong IMO. The past is the past - let it go. Barring a miracle - the Redskins will cut ties with him in the not too distant future & fans can simply focus on whoever is the QB at that time (I truly doubt that is Cousins but would love to be pleasantly surprised).

HTTR
Speaking for myself, I don't have hate for Robert, more disappointment. I do, however, find confusion with those saying he didn't get a fair chance or he was somehow mishandled by the team. He was given every chance. He was named starter for 3 straight years regardless of competition. It was handed to him without him earning it other than his draft position. He became a diva after his first year when he started with his self promotion (all in for week 1, personal branding, etc). He undermined the coaching staff that designed an offense specifically tailored to his skill set because they knew he wasn't ready for a more traditional offense. He, however, thought he was and bucked the coaching. As for those saying he should have sat his first few years, well that's just not realistic.
 

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Luck started day 1. Luck is coachable. Luck wasn't ROY.

RG3 was ROY but isn't coachable. He is what he is. An athlete that refuses to improve his craft.

The short history of the rise and fall of RG3 is interesting...I've seen stories out there essentially questioning whether the advertising media is to blame...too much exposure too soon, etc.

I think a lot of those things played a part in his down fall. Bright young man, but immature, no veteran presence at the position to help out a young QB. You say he's not coachable...imo he's pretty much at the point of starting over, he has to be somewhat humbled...I think you put him with a strong OC and HC that really believes in him...in turn you'll see him conform and he can be shaped into a solid NFL QB....he didn't arrive with the hype of RG3, but Tyrod Taylor is proof maybe RG3 has some shelf life remaining.

It won't happen overnight, but I'd give him 2 yrs to figure it out if I'm HOU or CLE.
 

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Speaking for myself, I don't have hate for Robert, more disappointment. I do, however, find confusion with those saying he didn't get a fair chance or he was somehow mishandled by the team. He was given every chance. He was named starter for 3 straight years regardless of competition. It was handed to him without him earning it other than his draft position. He became a diva after his first year when he started with his self promotion (all in for week 1, personal branding, etc). He undermined the coaching staff that designed an offense specifically tailored to his skill set because they knew he wasn't ready for a more traditional offense. He, however, thought he was and bucked the coaching. As for those saying he should have sat his first few years, well that's just not realistic.

Agree that RG3 has been given more than a fair chance. Also - it is not the job of the Redskins to ensure that every player gets a fair chance - that is much more up to the player. I am also not denying that perhaps RG3 did some diva like things. However - I don't believe that this was the major reason for his issues. It is much more about his on field performance & again he just doesn't appear to have the necessary skill set at this time to play QB long term in the NFL (which goes well beyond having a good arm & being mobile).

Perhaps RG3 will improve his game to the pt where he can do things such as finding secondary receivers and feeling pressure. However - anyone is fooling themselves to believe that this is a given for a 4th year QB when so few have made this transition in the past. I wish him the best in this area, but it will be problematic.
 

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I don't necessarily believe that RG3 failed because of a lack of commitment or being a "diva". Russell Wilson uses social media a heck of lot more than RG3 & it doesn't seem to impact him. Endorsements & the like really don't take that much time away from football practice. The media really overplayed this aspect. They did everything possible to build him up so that they could subsequently tear him to pieces.

Instead you quite possibly can attribute this to RG3 just not being good enough to be a starting NFL QB & perhaps never being one (short of using a gimmick offense that was only short term). If this is the case then there really is no shame in this. 99.99% of the population is not good enough to be an NFL QB. The number of current effective NFL QBs at this time is probably less than 10.

I am not sure why there is so much hate at the current time for RG3. The guy is keeping his mouth shut & not doing anything wrong IMO. The past is the past - let it go. Barring a miracle - the Redskins will cut ties with him in the not too distant future & fans can simply focus on whoever is the QB at that time (I truly doubt that is Cousins but would love to be pleasantly surprised).

HTTR

Social media and being a diva do not go hand in hand. Thinking you are better than you are and an entitlement attitude...well there you have a diva.

He proved he was good enough to start at QB in the right system. The problem is he believed he could start in any system and ran off (and alienated) the coaches that had a system he could excel at.

The hate for RG3 comes from the people who are still on his jock and claim it was somebody else's fault. It really has nothing to do with RG3 himself, today. The hate for RG3 is the hypocrisy of other fans who already want to bench KC after RG3 had three years as a failure to prove himself.
 

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BTW - Luck is pretty much doing terrible thus far this season. I am pretty sure he will turn this around. However - could you imagine if one of the Skins QB played exactly like him this season - we would never hear the end of it. It is amusing how the media is never objective & doesn't actually report what happens on the field. Instead - it is all about the athlete's persona & whether that person is likable.

If a Skin's QB were to lead back to back 11-3 seasons and have a bad start...I think we would forgive him and trust him. When is the last time we had back to back 11-5 seasons?

I actually don't like Luck and think he is overrated. He has a losing record outside his division...tells me his division is extremely poor.
 

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If a Skin's QB were to lead back to back 11-3 seasons and have a bad start...I think we would forgive him and trust him. When is the last time we had back to back 11-5 seasons?

I actually don't like Luck and think he is overrated. He has a losing record outside his division...tells me his division is extremely poor.

LOL. I don't know if I could handle back to back double digit win seasons at this time since it has been so so long. Maybe some day.
 

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Probably before some fans who post here were born. 1986 - 1987.

Yep. I give all the credit in the world to any Redskins fan that was born in the 90s or beyond since they were either not born or too young to really have seen any success (beyond one season) & have certainly seen way too many failures & soap opera type drama.
 

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Yep. I give all the credit in the world to any Redskins fan that was born in the 90s or beyond since they were either not born or too young to really have seen any success (beyond one season) & have certainly seen way too many failures & soap opera type drama.

No doubt. My two youngest knotheads, born in 96 and 97, are Skins fans and about two years ago. The older of the two took on a "Forget the Skins." attitude. My only thought was, I hope it sticks and I didn't say/do anything to dissuade her. Unfortunately for her though, her second fave team is the 49ers, her older brother, and my youngest knucklehead's, favorite team.
 

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Prospects? Yes. QBs ready to start in the NFL in 2016? Very limited pool, if any. I'm all for taking a prospect and bringing him along, but throwing any of these guys out there game 1 their rookie season and you have most likely just wasted your pick.
i don't think I implied they would be ready to start right away. You pick up a journeyman like brian hoyer or something and groom the kid for a year.
 
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