KC....shot player or growing pains?

[Stymietee]

I've read all of the commentaries on KC, and most seem to say that he is through as a potential starter in the NFL. There are reasons to be less pessimistic in this regards. Prior to the cap era, many very good players suffered through what was termed "growing pains" in that era many of them suffered through turnovers, sacks, and benching. I believe that what K C is going through is exactly that. The counter argument is that we are no longer in that era and that teams cannot afford to wait through such a learning curve. Well, here we are.....either in the midst of watching a young man fight his way through tough times or completely going down in flames! I can't say that I'm happy with his faults, but I honestly believe that he has the capacity to become a valued asset........given the time. The question is, at this point has he done enough to have earned it?

 

[TCB]

add another choice. Will be a backup in this league.

 

[Stymietee]

add another choice. Will be a backup in this league.

The question is whether or not he has a future as a starter.

 

[TCB]

The question is whether or not he has a future as a starter.

No

 

[j_y19]

Maybe, but not at the outset with any team. He is going to be a backup where ever he ends up. But due to injury, he probably will get another shot. If he shows improvement, he might end up as a starter. But I doubt any one is signing him when he becomes a FA to be their starter at this point.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I honestly believe that he has the capacity to become a valued asset........given the time. The question is, at this point has he done enough to have earned it?

Has he earned the right to be a starter? No. That was the case in early September and it's really a no-brainer now. Of course he will eventually cut down on his turnovers. That is to be expected with experience, But again he was a marginal prospect coming into the league with turnover issues in college and now he has shown that these issues continue.

Now can he be a starter at some point in his career? Sure. But that's more a reflection of the lack of great players than his ability. Chad Henne is a starter. Ryan Fitzpatrick was a starter. Not many would call these guys valuable assets. But as a backup sure he would be a valuable player That's why I hope the Redskins figure out a way to keep him.

 

[Sharkinva]

Cousins is Done in DC. Then again unless he came out and played like a 5 year starter, he was likely done in DC any way.

As far as if he will ever be a starter elsewhere, not for a while if ever.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Why do you say that Shark? Every team in the league has seen the problems so it's not like he's going to get many if any opportunities to go and complete for a starting job. So why wouldn't he be likely to sign with Washington as a backup?

 

[KickSaveDave]

Cousins actually seems to me like the perfect backup... he comes in ready and prepared and lights it up for a game or two, then reverts back to his mean eventually. He's looked great coming off the bench a few times, and he's had solid starts in his first shot after a Griff injury. Now that its clear he won't compete as our starter, we could keep him as a decent short term backup. His trade value is squadoosh right now, so might as well hang on to him.

 

[Sharkinva]

Why do you say that Shark? Every team in the league has seen the problems so it's not like he's going to get many if any opportunities to go and complete for a starting job. So why wouldn't he be likely to sign with Washington as a backup?

Cousins is going to be a victim of the win now mentality. I have pointed out in other posts that Kirks performance as a young QB has been similar to alot of pocket passers who struggled with turnovers early in their career. And to be quite honest, if we had won half those games, turn overs be damned Kirk would be starting this week. Add to it the fact that if RG3 were not sitting there Kirk likely would not be benched at all.


Very few teams would turn away from a QB who was averaging 300 yards and two scores a game if the team was winning those games turn overs be damned.

This isnt making excuses or defending Kirk, its just stating a simple fact that if it were not for the Rg3 lovefest, most would be looking at Kirk in a completely different light.

 

[Lonewate44]

Cousins is going to be a victim of the win now mentality. I have pointed out in other posts that Kirks performance as a young QB has been similar to alot of pocket passers who struggled with turnovers early in their career. And to be quite honest, if we had won half those games, turn overs be damned Kirk would be starting this week. Add to it the fact that if RG3 were not sitting there Kirk likely would not be benched at all.


Very few teams would turn away from a QB who was averaging 300 yards and two scores a game if the team was winning those games turn overs be damned.

This isnt making excuses or defending Kirk, its just stating a simple fact that if it were not for the Rg3 lovefest, most would be looking at Kirk in a completely different light.

I disagree that the feelings for RGIII have anything do to with it......Dure it was nice seeing him throw for 300yds and a couple tds.....but continually throwing picks and hurting your team is a killer....i would rather have a QB throw for 200yds and no tds and win, then throw for 300yds plus and lose the game becasue of a stupid turnover......

Cousins in not going to be a franchise QB in DC....We know your not a huge RGIII guy... But seeing you try to defend Cousins is funny!!!

 

[Sharkinva]

I disagree that the feelings for RGIII have anything do to with it......Dure it was nice seeing him throw for 300yds and a couple tds.....but continually throwing picks and hurting your team is a killer....i would rather have a QB throw for 200yds and no tds and win, then throw for 300yds plus and lose the game becasue of a stupid turnover......

Cousins in not going to be a franchise QB in DC....We know your not a huge RGIII guy... But seeing you try to defend Cousins is funny!!!

Wate... fact. If RG3 wasnt there we would NOT have benched Cousins. You can call him on the turnovers all you like. But look at some of the other young signal callers that have had the same issue. The only reason we have to option to bench Cousins is because every one expects RG3 to be back. If Rg3's ankle had ended his season, Cousins would NOT be benched in favor of McCoy because he is a bandaid. And as I said, Cousins had no chance unless he walked in and performed like Tom Brady in his 5th year. Because anything short of excellence and there would have been Skins fans going well how much are we going to get for him in trade.

 

[martinez]

blame rg3 for everything

 

[Sharkinva]

blame rg3 for everything

Sorry dude, thats not blaming RG3. Thats excepting the facts of reality. Any other situation if you have a young QB averaging 300 yards passing a game and 2 passing TDs a game, tell me he would be benched?? You can defend Bobs honor all you like. But you know im right on this one.

 

[countryroads316]

Just wait if Colt McCoy starts vs Dallas he will get destroyed and everyone will say we should have started Kirk Cousins

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

blame rg3 for everything

Yeah really. Shark your agenda is laughable about now. How in the world is a QB who is on the shelf responsible for what took place on Sunday as well as who is starting on Monday night? Cousins' play forced Gruden to make a move to Colt. He is staying with Colt based on the play of both QBs last Sunday. RGIII is as much of a factor in the benching of Cousins as Mark Mosely is.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Sorry dude, thats not blaming RG3. Thats excepting the facts of reality. Any other situation if you have a young QB averaging 300 yards passing a game and 2 passing TDs a game, tell me he would be benched?? You can defend Bobs honor all you like. But you know im right on this one.

You can't be real. You are actually describing Cousins as a QB who is averaging 300 yards and 2 TDs a game? That's like describing Charles Manson as a guy who painted really well.

NOBODY will admit you are right on this one.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Just wait if Colt McCoy starts vs Dallas he will get destroyed and everyone will say we should have started Kirk Cousins

Shark will blame RGIII

 

[martinez]

Sorry dude, thats not blaming RG3. Thats excepting the facts of reality. Any other situation if you have a young QB averaging 300 yards passing a game and 2 passing TDs a game, tell me he would be benched?? You can defend Bobs honor all you like. But you know im right on this one.

this isnt even about rg3, why do you bring him up on every damn thread. kirk turns the ball over way too much, his confidence is gone, thats why hes benched. if mccoy sucked ass last week i think kirk would be starting this week. but no, its all rg3. rg3 demanded we trade 3 1sts and a 2nd for him so he could suck on purpose setting the franchise back 5 years. seriously, when you walk outside and its raining do you go "fuckin rg3, this is his fault!". your posts are laughable now shark. i respect u as a poster when you talk about other things than rg3. problem is you talk about rg3 90% of the time.

 

[Sharkinva]

You can't be real. You are actually describing Cousins as a QB who is averaging 300 yards and 2 TDs a game? That's like describing Charles Manson as a guy who painted really well.

NOBODY will admit you are right on this one.

As much as I have had stats thrown in my face.

Cousins has average 285 yards a game passing this year and was benched at half time in a game where he had thrown for 149 already. He has been in six games this year and thrown 10 TD, and again we can say we could expect him oto throw for 2 TDs if he had stayed in. Stop comparing him to your Bobgod and look at him the way you want people to look at your bobgod. In any oher situation Cousins would not have been benched. Think Im wrong, go look at the stats for most of the young QBs around the league. You guys are so over protective of the bobgod that any possible positive must be shot down if it doesnt paint bob in his proper deity light.