Jerry with 25 years as GM

[UK Cowboy]

Jerry has been at it 25 years and is still making mistakes that would get any GM fired in their first year. ESPN has an article up talking about how at last years draft, the scouts board didn't match up with what type of players the coaches were looking for because the scouting director wasn't included in the meeting. Hence, Floyd was rated number 5 overall on the scouts board, but he didn't fit the scheme. This would be truly unbelievable, if it weren't GM Jerry. Maybe the scouts would have had a different DT or maybe they'd have had S Eric Reid at the top. Who knows? Meanwhile, Jerry gets a pass from most people for actually hitting on Fredrick, but the truth is, he could have had Reid in the 1st, Fredrick in the 2nd and still had Williams in the 3rd.
The article also talked about how Jerry plans to try and ''win right now'' because the clock on Romo is ticking. Interesting to see what happens in FA. Doesn't sound like Jerry is in rebuild mode yet

 

[ArlingtonCowboys100]

We are in partial rebuild mode. We need DL and a balhawk safety. We need another corner. Its going to take 2 good drafts minimum to fix the defense

 

[UK Cowboy]

We are in partial rebuild mode. We need DL and a balhawk safety. We need another corner. Its going to take 2 good drafts minimum to fix the defense

Yep, I just think if Jerry were going to switch from the 3-4 to the 4-3, he should have spent more picks in the draft on the D last year. Parcells didn't switch to the 3-4 till he had the personnel to run it. But there's a big difference between Bill and Jerry

 

[cowboycolors]

''Jerry gets a pass from most people for actually hitting on Fredrick, but the truth is, he could have had Reid in the 1st, Fredrick in the 2nd and still had Williams in the 3rd''


nothing about that statement is written in stone but the Reid pick other than that it is pure conjecture


JMHO

 

[PDay8810]

true that colors
and Glover, Dat and Coakley were hardly 3-4 personnel when ole bill decided to pull the plug on the 4-3 in Dallas.


just saying


oh since we're righting mistruths here. Dallas was able to get under the cap without doing anything with Ware.


now back to your regularly scheduled programming

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Yep, I just think if Jerry were going to switch from the 3-4 to the 4-3, he should have spent more picks in the draft on the D last year. Parcells didn't switch to the 3-4 till he had the personnel to run it. But there's a big difference between Bill and Jerry

well that is total BS. When BP switched to a 3-4, we had to get rid of our probowl defensive players to make the switch. Then on top of that cost us our best DC. Yeah that was a real great fucking move.

I don't care how long it takes to get back to par as a 4-3. We should have switched back years ago.

 

[UK Cowboy]

well that is total BS. When BP switched to a 3-4, we had to get rid of our probowl defensive players to make the switch. Then on top of that cost us our best DC. Yeah that was a real great fucking move.

I don't care how long it takes to get back to par as a 4-3. We should have switched back years ago.

Really? You don't think it was worth losing our DC and star defensive players to bring in Parcells? And how did that work out? Bill took this team from the 5-11 train to being one of the most talented squads in the NFL. Everyone bitches that Jerry won't hire a real HC and give him power, but when he finally does, you expect Bill to use the same scheme and DC that was in place? Thats BS. There's nothing wrong with switching back to the 4-3. But when you do it without bringing in personnel that fits the scheme, it's going to suck ass, which it did last season

 

[PDay8810]

Really? You don't think it was worth losing our DC and star defensive players to bring in Parcells? And how did that work out? Bill took this team from the 5-11 train to being one of the most talented squads in the NFL. Everyone bitches that Jerry won't hire a real HC and give him power, but when he finally does, you expect Bill to use the same scheme and DC that was in place? Thats BS. There's nothing wrong with switching back to the 4-3. But when you do it without bringing in personnel that fits the scheme, it's going to suck ass, which it did last season

you wanna tell him what base defense we ran in 03 schmoopy or should I?

 

[UK Cowboy]

you wanna tell him what base defense we ran in 03 schmoopy or should I?

I was around in 03, I guess you are trying to prove my point for me, as we kept Zimmer and ran more 4-3 than 3-4, since we didn't yet have the personnel, which is exactly what I said. They have this great tool, wikipedia, try looking up Cowboys 2003. After that, pull up spellcheck. Not everyone can be a smartass and a dumbass at the same time, but when it comes to football, you're pretty close

 

[PDay8810]

you mad?
you shouldn't be....think of all the football you're learning

 

[UK Cowboy]

you wanna tell him what base defense we ran in 03 schmoopy or should I?

Pro Football Reference. Google it. 4-3.

 

[jarntt]

Meanwhile, Jerry gets a pass from most people for actually hitting on Fredrick, but the truth is, he could have had Reid in the 1st, Fredrick in the 2nd and still had Williams in the 3rd.

While my point all along has been that we could have done exactly that and we would be a way better team today for it, you can't present it as an absolute. My feeling is that Frederick would have been available in the 2nd round and that at the time it was more than worth the gamble. But, since none of us can prove it we have to make sure we state it as opinion, not fact. So you can't say "the truth is" he could have had...Even if you feel it was very unlikely someone else takes him you need to admit it was possible. Either way, it sure would have been nice to have it work out that way for us. Maybe this is the year we come up with 3 impact starters in the draft...

 

[PDay8810]

Pro Football Reference. Google it. 4-3.

correct....and schmoopy's original point was correct

 

[UK Cowboy]

you mad?
you shouldn't be....think of all the football you're learning

Who's mad? Once again, you make a smartass remark, trying to act like you are the football know it all, when in reality, you don't have the first clue. PDay talking football isn't something that would make me angry, it's better comedy than watching Modern Family lol

 

[UK Cowboy]

While my point all along has been that we could have done exactly that and we would be a way better team today for it, you can't present it as an absolute. My feeling is that Frederick would have been available in the 2nd round and that at the time it was more than worth the gamble. But, since none of us can prove it we have to make sure we state it as opinion, not fact. So you can't say "the truth is" he could have had...Even if you feel it was very unlikely someone else takes him you need to admit it was possible. Either way, it sure would have been nice to have it work out that way for us. Maybe this is the year we come up with 3 impact starters in the draft...

You're right, it's not an absolute truth, it's my opinion, just one I believe strongly

 

[UK Cowboy]

correct....and schmoopy's original point was correct

And yours was wrong. What D did we run in 03 PDay?

 

[PDay8810]

it is what it is and you sure seem mad to me.


BTW, for the truly misinformed. jerry didn't recruit Parcells for the job, it was the other way around and it sure as hell wasn't anykind of condition to take the job in Dallas as you assume here. Dallas played base 4-3 for the first two seasons and only made the switch in year 3

 

[PDay8810]

Really? You don't think it was worth losing our DC and star defensive players to bring in Parcells? And how did that work out? Bill took this team from the 5-11 train to being one of the most talented squads in the NFL. Everyone bitches that Jerry won't hire a real HC and give him power, but when he finally does, you expect Bill to use the same scheme and DC that was in place? Thats BS. There's nothing wrong with switching back to the 4-3. But when you do it without bringing in personnel that fits the scheme, it's going to suck ass, which it did last season

oh

 

[UK Cowboy]

Yep, I just think if Jerry were going to switch from the 3-4 to the 4-3, he should have spent more picks in the draft on the D last year. Parcells didn't switch to the 3-4 till he had the personnel to run it. But there's a big difference between Bill and Jerry

PDay, try reading that. Man you are in rare form today, even for you

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Really? You don't think it was worth losing our DC and star defensive players to bring in Parcells? And how did that work out? Bill took this team from the 5-11 train to being one of the most talented squads in the NFL. Everyone bitches that Jerry won't hire a real HC and give him power, but when he finally does, you expect Bill to use the same scheme and DC that was in place? Thats BS. There's nothing wrong with switching back to the 4-3. But when you do it without bringing in personnel that fits the scheme, it's going to suck ass, which it did last season

in a word. Yes! We had a top defense, even without top talent. Even when BP came in he said if it isn't broke don't fix it. Saying he would stay with the 4-3, but be honest with yourself. he was always gonna change to a 3-4. It was all he really knew. BP was incapable of change. Our defense has never been as good as when we had Zimmer here. Why wouldn't I expect them to keep the same scheme? Guess BP felt the need to break the defense so he could attempt to fix it. mean while his switch forced the team to get rid of whatever talent we had on defense & start over.

to Pdays question to me. Let me just post a quote from online about the 03' defense

Parcells retained much of the defensive staff, including defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer, and maintained the team's basic 4-3 defense instead of immediately installing the 3-4 defense which was a trademark of all Parcells's prior teams. This proved a wise decision, as the Cowboys finished the season with the top-ranked overall defense.

So again why would we switch to the 3-4 defense? you know what defensive player he drafted in the draft. T-New (nothing about a 3-4 we needed a CB period) 4th Bradie james LB. 6th rd. BJ Tucker DB

2004 defense we drafted 4th rd. Bruce Thorton LB, 7th rd. Nate Jones DB, 7th rd. Jacque Reeves DB. yep he really retooled for a 3-4 defense!

So hell yeah he should have went with what Zimmer knew vs. What BP knew of defense. Zimmer continues to go to places with non great players & make stout defenses. We haven't had a top defense since Zimmer. Now throw in when we switched we got rid of our quality defensive players because they didn't fit the 3-4 defense. let me just say not only did BP use what he had to switch to the 3-4 but he weakened the talent of players on the defense to do it. (his way) Also he didn't deal with 72 injuries (I think I am exaggerating) on the year he switched. What he didn't do was have it all set up for the switch like you are implying.