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in a word. Yes! We had a top defense, even without top talent. Even when BP came in he said if it isn't broke don't fix it. Saying he would stay with the 4-3, but be honest with yourself. he was always gonna change to a 3-4. It was all he really knew. BP was incapable of change. Our defense has never been as good as when we had Zimmer here. Why wouldn't I expect them to keep the same scheme? Guess BP felt the need to break the defense so he could attempt to fix it. mean while his switch forced the team to get rid of whatever talent we had on defense & start over.

to Pdays question to me. Let me just post a quote from online about the 03' defense


So again why would we switch to the 3-4 defense? you know what defensive player he drafted in the draft. T-New (nothing about a 3-4 we needed a CB period) 4th Bradie james LB. 6th rd. BJ Tucker DB

2004 defense we drafted 4th rd. Bruce Thorton LB, 7th rd. Nate Jones DB, 7th rd. Jacque Reeves DB. yep he really retooled for a 3-4 defense!

So hell yeah he should have went with what Zimmer knew vs. What BP knew of defense. Zimmer continues to go to places with non great players & make stout defenses. We haven't had a top defense since Zimmer. Now throw in when we switched we got rid of our quality defensive players because they didn't fit the 3-4 defense. let me just say not only did BP use what he had to switch to the 3-4 but he weakened the talent of players on the defense to do it. (his way) Also he didn't deal with 72 injuries (I think I am exaggerating) on the year he switched. What he didn't do was have it all set up for the switch like you are implying.

I disagree, I wouldn't care if BP wanted to change the defense to a 1-6 front, the man took us from being a 5-11 piece of crap to one of the top teams in the league. My original point wasn't meant to be about BP though, it was meant to be about Jerry. If he wanted to make the radical change of switching from Ryan's attacking 3-4 to Kiffen's 4-3 Tampa 2, he should have spent more draft picks defensive personnel. You want to keep the Fredrick pick because it worked out and was a need, thats great, but there is no way anyone can defend the Escobar pick in the 2nd round when we were changing schemes. Thats a freaking joke
 

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I thought Ryan did a good job and was close to turning that defense around. The cowboys are gonna struggle again because of the lack of talent on the DL. If ware leaves that would make selvie the best player on that line. Scary thought. There are no guarantees that we draft an impact player for the DL. I still think the Cowboys will bring in at least one good FA for the DL. If Jerrah is trying to win now he is going to have to gamble and sign a FA for the line. Crawford potentially can be good, but has done nothing yet. Bass is a backup.
 

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In 2012 (especially the 2nd half of the year) Ryan's defense wasn't attacking at all. It wasn't even aggressive. He never blitzed and he had his secondary sitting back and we all killed him for it. At the end of that year our pass rush also took a hit once Ware got hurt. I think if we correct our pass rush and use the strengths of our players and augment them with some new players our defense is going to be fine this year. But, we need to draft at least two new starters for that to be the case. Would love to find 3, but that is asking a lot out of first year players. So, I guess my feeling is because of the Cap Problem...it all depends on the draft
 

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I thought Ryan did a good job and was close to turning that defense around. The cowboys are gonna struggle again because of the lack of talent on the DL. If ware leaves that would make selvie the best player on that line. Scary thought. There are no guarantees that we draft an impact player for the DL. I still think the Cowboys will bring in at least one good FA for the DL. If Jerrah is trying to win now he is going to have to gamble and sign a FA for the line. Crawford potentially can be good, but has done nothing yet. Bass is a backup.

It's all conjecture at this point, but I think Crawford is going to be a very solid starter and I think Bass will be a good rotational guy for us. Also, if Ware is cut Jerry will replace him with someone better than Selvie, whether it be Spencer or a FA. I wouldn't rule out Jerry signing Melton and drafting Ealy if Ware is cut.
 

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I think it is imperative that we draft Donald and would not mind if we traded a later round pick in next years draft to move up to 13 and steal donald from the Bears. Donald would be a beast as the 3 tech and a nightmare for opposing defenses. QBS better hope they have a good blocking back in front of them because he will be getting into the backfield
 

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i like the thought of Ware taking a pay cut, signing Melton and Spencer and drafting Donald. I think Crawford could play both end and tackle
 

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In 2012 (especially the 2nd half of the year) Ryan's defense wasn't attacking at all. It wasn't even aggressive. He never blitzed and he had his secondary sitting back and we all killed him for it. At the end of that year our pass rush also took a hit once Ware got hurt. I think if we correct our pass rush and use the strengths of our players and augment them with some new players our defense is going to be fine this year. But, we need to draft at least two new starters for that to be the case. Would love to find 3, but that is asking a lot out of first year players. So, I guess my feeling is because of the Cap Problem...it all depends on the draft

In Ryan's defense, the guys playing in the 2nd half of 2012 were pretty much the same arena leaguers we had on the field at the end of last year. That said, I'm ecstatic RM is the DC now. With Jerry talking about doing everything he can to win now while the clock ticks on Romo, I expect Jerry to extend Ware, keep Spencer, sign a veteran S, and throw a curveball in the 1st round by taking WR Evans out of A@M, then grabbing a DT in the 2nd round. Jerry has always had an infatuation with WR's. For a man who gave up THREE #1's and a #3 for J Galloway and R Williams, anything is possible
 

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I disagree, I wouldn't care if BP wanted to change the defense to a 1-6 front, the man took us from being a 5-11 piece of crap to one of the top teams in the league. My original point wasn't meant to be about BP though, it was meant to be about Jerry. If he wanted to make the radical change of switching from Ryan's attacking 3-4 to Kiffen's 4-3 Tampa 2, he should have spent more draft picks defensive personnel. You want to keep the Fredrick pick because it worked out and was a need, thats great, but there is no way anyone can defend the Escobar pick in the 2nd round when we were changing schemes. Thats a freaking joke

well Jerry deserves his share of blame for every year IMO, but you have to place a lot of the not drafting DL last year on Kiffin. He said while the draft was going on he didn't need anymore DLineman, if anything he needed LBs. So I think the lions share of that blame needs to fall on his shoulders.
 
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