Jaguars gift Bortles new 3-year, $54M deal

[Sharkinva]

I agree, however that ONLY accounts for SM and Bruce's POV. Pretty sure that Kirk and his reps had no interest in that from their perspective. You guys were right, he bet on himself and won. That never would have happened if Kirk and his agent didn't believe in his ability to play well. Playing well meant no to 12 million and hello 20 million at minimum.

Again dude, the reports are out there. And have been posted on this site as to the exact time line.

Kirk and his agent did not balk until the middle of 2015. During the 2015 off season, there was no betting on himself because to be 100% honest.. even I thought if he struggled early on, he would be benched in favor of Griffin.

So a SMART man would have taken the $12 at that time and run. Because its one thing to bet on yourself after you just won the Division. Its totally different to bet on yourself a week after you were handed the start when all signs pointed towards the only way you get on the field is if the presumed starter is in a Coma.

 

[Stymietee]

Again dude, the reports are out there. And have been posted on this site as to the exact time line.

Kirk and his agent did not balk until the middle of 2015. During the 2015 off season, there was no betting on himself because to be 100% honest.. even I thought if he struggled early on, he would be benched in favor of Griffin.

So a SMART man would have taken the $12 at that time and run. Because its one thing to bet on yourself after you just won the Division. Its totally different to bet on yourself a week after you were handed the start when all signs pointed towards the only way you get on the field is if the presumed starter is in a Coma.

Fine, show me one where they offered him 20 million dollars during the 2015 season. They balked because he was playing well which meant 20 million not 12. If they wanted to sign for 12 they would have. Well, they didn't because, they too wanted to see what he could do during that season. It would have been absolutely crazy to sign before knowing what his true worth was, that required putting something on the resume'. Once they realized what he was capable of, then they balked, and happily so because they could have been stuck with a 12 million albatross around their necks.

 

[skinsdad62]

Sometimes I wonder who's getting amnesia, even if the offer came before or after the 2015 season began, playing well meant that the 20 million cap number for the following season was already being seen as the base for Kirk, by he and his agent. There's just NO WAY Kirk with his agents blessing signs for 12 million that SM wanted to offer. Again some here want to look at the moment, Kirk and his agent were looking forward. You can believe it or not, Kirk just wasn't going to sign any deal in the 2014 off season nor during the 2015 season. Unless you honestly believe that Kirk was as stupid as Bruce Allen was then I see your point.



Scot McCloughan was interested in signing Kirk Cousins long term, however it was for half of what he'll be paid this season.

According to Jason Cole of Bleacher Report, the Washington Redskins former general manager was ready to offer Cousins a long-term contract worth $12 million per year, however became "uncomfortable" as his price approached and then exceeded the $20 million mark. Per Cole, no contract offer was ever extended prior to his departure from the franchise.

what you fail to mention is allen killed it at the beginning as has been posted on this board numerous times

 

[Stymietee]

what you fail to mention is allen killed it at the beginning as has been posted on this board numerous times

Again I've agreed to this numerous times, I think we're past that and have now moved on to the dynamics during that time period. So let me repeat it, BRUCE ALLEN KILLED THE CONSIDERED AND THE ACTUAL OFFER TO KIRK FOR 12 MILLION.
____Signed Sty

 

[skinsdad62]

Again I've agreed to this numerous times, I think we're past that and have now moved on to the dynamics during that time period. So let me repeat it, BRUCE ALLEN KILLED THE CONSIDERED AND THE ACTUAL OFFER TO KIRK FOR 12 MILLION.
____Signed Sty

well good so the narrative that KC wouldnt have signed the deal at the same career point as bortles is also wrong

 

[chillerdab]

The Jags were not interested because they could not afford him.

My point exactly. Thank you for proving my point.

The Jags couldn't afford him. The Jets and Browns might be able to.

Both of those teams, with or without KC, are going nowhere, fast.

The Jags took a look at what KC was most likely going to cost, and said, "no thanks," we can get to the AFC Championship game on our own without gutting our salary cap space on a qb who isn't necessarily worth the difference in price from what we have with Bortles."

That's what they said.

 

[gkekoa]

My point exactly. Thank you for proving my point.

The Jags couldn't afford him. The Jets and Browns might be able to.

Both of those teams, with or without KC, are going nowhere, fast.

The Jags took a look at what KC was most likely going to cost, and said, "no thanks," we can get to the AFC Championship game on our own without gutting our salary cap space on a qb who isn't necessarily worth the difference in price from what we have with Bortles."

That's what they said.

You don’t seem to get it though. While they extended Bortles, he will count 9 million less against the cap this season.

He was going to cost 19 million against the cap. He will now only cost 10 million.

 

[Stymietee]

well good so the narrative that KC wouldnt have signed the deal at the same career point as bortles is also wrong

I don't think so. I believe that some here want to see Kirk and his agent as shortsighted after the 2014 season, when the name of the game is getting paid. My position to be clear, happens to be one giving Kirk and his agent credit for looking at things with a much wider lens, and, therefore weren't willing to sign any contract offered at that time because they had no way to know what Kirk's actual value was until he played into the 2015 season. Despite reports, which as you know, can be totally off base.

Once Kirk actually put a resume on video during that season, they knew that at minimum 20 million was his floor. That has escalated since then. They also knew that the team attempted to play their asses with that 12 million dollar offer.

 

[Niner Outlaw]

The Jags took a look at what KC was most likely going to cost, and said, "no thanks," we can get to the AFC Championship game on our own without gutting our salary cap space on a qb who isn't necessarily worth the difference in price from what we have with Bortles."

That's what they said.

You don’t seem to get it though. While they extended Bortles, he will count 9 million less against the cap this season.

He was going to cost 19 million against the cap. He will now only cost 10 million.

BINGO!

The new Bortles deal had nothing to do with Cousins. The contract numbers tell us that the jags didn't extend Bortles b/c they're committing to him over the next few years. They extended him to lower his 19M cap number down to 10M--the jags need cap space to retain Allen Robinson. They only gave Bortles 7M more in guaranteed money than he was already due to receive, so the jags can cut him loose after the 2018 season without any serious cap issue.

 

[skinsdad62]

I don't think so. I believe that some here want to see Kirk and his agent as shortsighted after the 2014 season, when the name of the game is getting paid. My position to be clear, happens to be one giving Kirk and his agent credit for looking at things with a much wider lens, and, therefore weren't willing to sign any contract offered at that time because they had no way to know what Kirk's actual value was until he played into the 2015 season. Despite reports, which as you know, can be totally off base.

Once Kirk actually put a resume on video during that season, they knew that at minimum 20 million was his floor. That has escalated since then. They also knew that the team attempted to play their asses with that 12 million dollar offer.

how do you come to that conclusion . you totally blow off the fact that he was offered a contact in 2014 , it was killed by allen and then want to say because his agent made a smart move that , that means KC never would have signed the first contract similar in time to bortles ?

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Meh Kirk was never going to sign nothing with skins period probably hated redskins the whole time.. yawn ..

 

[Stymietee]

how do you come to that conclusion . you totally blow off the fact that he was offered a contact in 2014 , it was killed by allen and then want to say because his agent made a smart move that , that means KC never would have signed the first contract similar in time to bortles ?

Nope, it was because he was offered a contract in 2014-2015 that makes people responding to it shortsighted. Right or not some accepted the notion that he would sign it, while others figured that he would not sign, weigh his options and proceed accordingly. If we cannot admit that Kirk and his agent were smarter than Bruce Allen and whomever then it makes sense that Kirk might have signed the first contract similar in time as Bortles. Really good agents look and plan ahead. In this case, it was easy to see the options as Kirk's first contract was ending. One of those options was to wait, in fact, looking back, it was the only prudent option. Then all they had to do was let Kirk put something meaningful on his resume' and then exercise one of them.

Face getting cut/ traded
Accept the original offer
Get a better contract
Accept the tag

How else do you guys define "betting on himself?" That asked, I must admit that I hadn't thought of a lot of the details back then, but as I've said time and again, it was most likely instinct that had me convinced that Kirk wouldn't sign a LTD here, especially that one.

 

[gkekoa]

Here I see why KC would have signed.

After his rookie contract, he accumulated 2 million dollars in t was four years in the league.

When he was offered 12 mil a season, he would have accepted it because he didn’t have much put away and had proven nothing. When he was offered 16 mil, he still hadn’t concluded his rookie contract, he would have accepted it.

He bet on himself once he had a guaranteed 19 million dollar contract, his first franchise tag.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I'm hearing a combine rumor Kirk is not even looking for a LTD he is looking for a 3 year deal now so he can get paid again at 34

 

[Sleepy T]

I'm hearing a combine rumor Kirk is not even looking for a LTD he is looking for a 3 year deal now so he can get paid again at 34

https://www.google.com/amp/s/predom...rtedly-looking-high-guarantees-low-years/amp/

Rumor as of now...We will see how this all shakes out.

But if true, this debunks a lot of things KC has said and is a bit of egg on his face.

I’ve said all along that given his age, KC is trying to maximize his career earnings at all costs. Stay tuned.

What does the Doom Crew have to say about this??? What are your thoughts if this is true? @gkekoa @skinsdad62 @Sharkinva @Skins2021

 

[Sharkinva]

https://www.google.com/amp/s/predom...rtedly-looking-high-guarantees-low-years/amp/

Rumor as of now...We will see how this all shakes out.

But if true, this debunks a lot of things KC has said and is a bit of egg on his face.

I’ve said all along that given his age, KC is trying to maximize his career earnings at all costs. Stay tuned.

What does the Doom Crew have to say about this??? What are your thoughts if this is true? @gkekoa @skinsdad62 @Sharkinva @Skins2021

I would say he is doing exactly what any of us would do after six years in DC, three of which the front office showed zero commitment to him. I do find it odd that people fault Cousins for this, but many are applauding Smith for doing the exact same thing in basically saying he would only except a trade to a team that was willing to extend him.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

It's all making sense skins don't want to sign him 2- 3 year deals and always going through this process which D.Hall said it causes locker room problems skins FO is being smart.. note gruden or hall said this.. at least gruden and The FO can now say we got a Qb now for at least 5 years we probaly have to draft one or two but its better then fucking with kirk and his agent all the time which could have a affect on future Fa that want to come here or locker room issues... i dont see this as a csi bruce Allen smoking a 3000 ciger thinking LIKE he is a football God it just looks like Kirk wants something different the the skins Go does idk at the end of the day we are set at QB for 5 years we can move on instead of fucking with Kirk every 2 years

 

[Sharkinva]

skins FO is being smart

The next time the Skins front office does the smart thing will be the first time.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

The next time the Skins front office does the smart thing will be the first time.

Who drafed Dlineman Allen the janitors?

 

[Sharkinva]

Who drafed Dlineman Allen the janitors?

You sir are mistaking being able to follow a shopping list for being smart. Just because you can assemble a dresser from Ikea that does not make you a carpenter. And just because Bruce was able to use the draft board assembled by SCot Mc, that does not mean Bruce has some how figured it all out.