Jaguars gift Bortles new 3-year, $54M deal

[Stymietee]

Rewrite history much??? If we are talking the middle of 2015 when SMGM wanted to sign Kirk initially, all signs pointed to him signing it because it was the final year of his rookie deal and he had no resume to speak of. Things did not go off the rails until Bruce decided he didnt want to extend Kirk... just in case they still needed Bob. Thats when the cap as you mention it came into play. Which was actually the tag

Interesting, take, but reading my post will tell you I'm talking about the cap years, or in terms that's pretty popular around here, post, "prove it season" #1. So your basis is off by a year.

To your point, I still believe that Kirk as bad as he was prior to the 2015 season, still wanted out of this dysfunction. Call it instinct or whatever, I don't believe that he wanted any part of DC then. So I really can't prove my instinct from that time, it is interesting that everything that I predicted then has come to pass now regarding Kirk not signing.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

KIRK is the bad guy that is all

 

[Sharkinva]

Interesting, take, but reading my post will tell you I'm talking about the cap years, or in terms that's pretty popular around here, post, "prove it season" #1. So your basis is off by a year.

To your point, I still believe that Kirk as bad as he was prior to the 2015 season, still wanted out of this dysfunction. Call it instinct or whatever, I don't believe that he wanted any part of DC then. So I really can't prove my instinct from that time, it is interesting that everything that I predicted then has come to pass now regarding Kirk not signing.

So we aren't rewriting, just omitting a couple of key factors.

 

[Stymietee]

So we aren't rewriting, just omitting a couple of key factors.

Definitely not rewriting as some are doing, but, I'm now curious, which "key" factors?

 

[Sharkinva]

Definitely not rewriting as some are doing, but, I'm now curious, which "key" factors?

Well the key factor that Scot wanted to Sign Kirk long term BEFORE the tag was even remotely in play.
Kirk was willing to talk and by all reports sign a long term deal at that time.
Bruce nixed the deal because he still had faith in Bob.
And from there the relationship went down faster that a $2 hooker on the Titanic.


Saying all this started at the end of 2015 is sort of like saying this land wasn't owned by any one until Columbus showed up.

 

[Stymietee]

Well the key factor that Scot wanted to Sign Kirk long term BEFORE the tag was even remotely in play.
Kirk was willing to talk and by all reports sign a long term deal at that time.
Bruce nixed the deal because he still had faith in Bob.
And from there the relationship went down faster that a $2 hooker on the Titanic.


Saying all this started at the end of 2015 is sort of like saying this land wasn't owned by any one until Columbus showed up.

While it's true that Sm wanted to sign Kirk long before the tag was in play and Kirk might have been willing to talk, there was NEVER a chance that a deal would have been completed and signed during that time. It is merely a positive spin on pure guesswork. Sort of like a movie that's based upon true events, vs. a biographical piece. Turns out that my instinct were more on point during that time than anything that ACTUALLY happened in terms of Kirk being signed.

Bob was doomed from the moment they drafted him. Said that too remember? "They should sit him" said this poster and against a flood of naysayers, he had no chance because he simply wasn't mentally, emotionally or physically ready for the NFL game.

Yes, the relationship went down, but it started when Mike Shanahan decided to select Kirk in the 4th round of the draft. Not that he was wrong, but using your logic on the subject, MS, drafted a guy because he had no confidence in the one that BA and DS wanted. Griffin, likely took that as some sort of no confidence move and never did develop any sort of relationship with his teammate, Kirk. To be sure Griffin was being an asshole while here, but in fairness, that was allowed.

 

[Rowdy]

I do believe hatred or not Kirk and his agent knew he was good enough to start contract talks based on the price of the tag for that year and the next. so it seems. Therefore wouldn't sign
the Mcloughan deal either

 

[Stymietee]

I do believe hatred or not Kirk and his agent knew he was good enough to start contract talks based on the price of the tag for that year and the next. so it seems. Therefore wouldn't sign
the Mcloughan deal either

That works for me. I don't exactly know nor remember (farkin' old age) what it was concerning that time (pre 2015 season) that had me convinced that Kirk wouldn't sign here, calling it instinct is the best that I could do after so much time has passed. Thanks for a well made point.

 

[Sharkinva]

That works for me. I don't exactly know nor remember (farkin' old age) what it was concerning that time (pre 2015 season) that had me convinced that Kirk wouldn't sign here, calling it instinct is the best that I could do after so much time has passed. Thanks for a well made point.

I'm not quite as old. And my memory serves me correct that in 2015 you still had faith in there being a place on the Redskins for Bob. So I think your opinion at that time might have been a tad biased against Kirk.

 

[Stymietee]

I'm not quite as old. And my memory serves me correct that in 2015 you still had faith in there being a place on the Redskins for Bob. So I think your opinion at that time might have been a tad biased against Kirk.

Yep, based on the fact that they still sit him, get him well and up to speed. Since you like analogies, it's like buying a new car straight off the line, never putting a drop of gasoline nor oil into it and driving the hell out of it. It's a new car still and after realizing the error of your ways, and a few costly repairs later, you get it road worthy, with a full tank of gas, lubrication and all, taken care of.

Even if you don't want to buy that, let me ask you, of they paid far too much to get him renown, (which was true) had you been in charge and the trade made, would you REALLY have thrown such an ill prepared and costly asset to the wolves knowing that he was not ready for that?

Biased against Kirk? Why? Kirk was floundering at that time, with every interception he got into that funk and ultimately was replaced by Colt. I didn't think it was even necessary to believe this team would keep any of those guys, let alone sign Kirk long term. It was the dysfunction that led me to believe that Kirk wanted out. Thanks for the memory jog!

 

[Stymietee]

Friendly memory jogs and the internet are potent recall tools:


Colt McCoy in for Kirk Cousins at QB - ESPN.com
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11728447

 

[Sharkinva]

Yep, based on the fact that they still sit him, get him well and up to speed. Since you like analogies, it's like buying a new car straight off the line, never putting a drop of gasoline nor oil into it and driving the hell out of it. It's a new car still and after realizing the error of your ways, and a few costly repairs later, you get it road worthy, with a full tank of gas, lubrication and all, taken care of.

Even if you don't want to buy that, let me ask you, of they paid far too much to get him renown, (which was true) had you been in charge and the trade made, would you REALLY have thrown such an ill prepared and costly asset to the wolves knowing that he was not ready for that?

Biased against Kirk? Why? Kirk was floundering at that time, with every interception he got into that funk and ultimately was replaced by Colt. I didn't think it was even necessary to believe this team would keep any of those guys, let alone sign Kirk long term. It was the dysfunction that led me to believe that Kirk wanted out. Thanks for the memory jog!

Once again Memory fails you old chum.

Kirk never floundered or got replaced in 2015. Which again is the year that Scot wanted to sign him long term and Bruce nixed the deal.

As for Bob and the trade... If I pay three times the going rate for a top of the line car, I should be able to drive the living shit out of it. If Bob wasn't worthy of starting from day one of the trade, then he wasn't worth the trade... which by the way I did say from day one when we made the trade.

 

[Sharkinva]

Friendly memory jogs and the internet are potent recall tools:


Colt McCoy in for Kirk Cousins at QB - ESPN.com
www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/11728447

Yes.. in 2014.

Kirk started ALL of 2015, Scot wanted to extend him in 2015. Bruce nixed the deal in 2015. Because he couldn't give up on Bob...

in 2015

 

[Sleepy T]

Well the key factor that Scot wanted to Sign Kirk long term BEFORE the tag was even remotely in play.
Kirk was willing to talk and by all reports sign a long term deal at that time.
Bruce nixed the deal because he still had faith in Bob.
And from there the relationship went down faster that a $2 hooker on the Titanic.


Saying all this started at the end of 2015 is sort of like saying this land wasn't owned by any one until Columbus showed up.

And you think that deal was equal or that much better than the one that we offered before the first tag?? To my knowledge, you can’t sign a player during the season, so that’s all it was..talk over a beer between GM and agent. I understand your premise that it shows some commitment to Kirk long term, but you can’t deny that it probably doesn’t change things. Either his 3 year contract is about to end, and he still wants to get paid huge $$$ at the end of it. OR he is playing two more years on a well below average contract (wrt his stats) and wants a extension NOW before his window of opportunity closes.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

If i Remember right skins did not want to give up on rg3 gruden and scott said given up on a young qb is not a smart thing I'm sure with his injuries skins said fuck rg3

 

[Stymietee]

Once again Memory fails you old chum.

Kirk never floundered or got replaced in 2015. Which again is the year that Scot wanted to sign him long term and Bruce nixed the deal.

As for Bob and the trade... If I pay three times the going rate for a top of the line car, I should be able to drive the living shit out of it. If Bob wasn't worthy of starting from day one of the trade, then he wasn't worth the trade... which by the way I did say from day one when we made the trade.

Kirk floundered in the 2014 season which led to the 2015 off season, the 2015 off season was in 2016 the year that he was first tagged.

 

[Stymietee]

Yes.. in 2014.

Kirk started ALL of 2015, Scot wanted to extend him in 2015. Bruce nixed the deal in 2015. Because he couldn't give up on Bob...

in 2015

Again, the 2015 off season happened after the 2014 season, Kirk played well in the 2015 season which led to the 2016 off season.

 

[Sharkinva]

And you think that deal was equal or that much better than the one that we offered before the first tag?? To my knowledge, you can’t sign a player during the season, so that’s all it was..talk over a beer between GM and agent. I understand your premise that it shows some commitment to Kirk long term, but you can’t deny that it probably doesn’t change things. Either his 3 year contract is about to end, and he still wants to get paid huge $$$ at the end of it. OR he is playing two more years on a well below average contract (wrt his stats) and wants a extension NOW before his window of opportunity closes.

Your Knowledge is faulty sir. Players can and do get extended mid season. This normally happens so that the team can eat a part of the signing bonus in the current season and lessen the future year impacts from the deal.

Now if a guy is playing on the tag, he cant be extended mid season. But aside from that, a Player can be extended at any point during the season or off season.

Also, the contract they were floating in 2015 would have been in line with what Oswieler got. Which at the time was a market level contract.

 

[Sharkinva]

Kirk floundered in the 2014 season which led to the 2015 off season, the 2015 off season was in 2016 the year that he was first tagged.

Report: McCloughan wanted to offer Cousins extension in 2015

 

[Sleepy T]

I do believe hatred or not Kirk and his agent knew he was good enough to start contract talks based on the price of the tag for that year and the next. so it seems. Therefore wouldn't sign
the Mcloughan deal either

I agree. I’ve always been of the opinion that based on certain factors (Cousins’ age in particular) his camp was more than tickled to play on the tag to maximize his career earnings. Sure, it’s true our FO didn’t give him a reason to think about it much. But if he signs a couple years ago for 5 years, on a 17-19 mill-ish contract, when that contract is over, he might gets sn Alex Smith type contract if he plays well enough, not the blockbuster payday he has set himself up for.

They played the game well... and he will cash in his chips soon.