It May Be Time To Start Thinking About Blaine Gabbert

[purguy12]

It is just silly on the face of it. Just throw a young QB out there any have him scrambling for his life. And coaching doesn't matter? That defies common sense.

i know. i dont get it. oh well let them hate. they just dont know football common sense. it happens. i hope we dont do what they think because we will suck for 5 years.

 

[Xponentialchaos]

Kaepernick isn't anywhere near Andrew Luck or Steve Young.

 

[purguy12]

I would be surprised if he is either. He was so bad last year, most people didn't want even want him as a backup. He looked okay in preseason although he wasn't asked to do much. This team needs to draft a QB and prepare him for the future.

yeah let a Qb sit a year. thats why i think kap will be back unless they sign a vet back up to play a year and waste another year. i do think we can rebound quick if they follow what we are saying because we do have alot of cap space. improve oline and get a new staff in here.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Kaepernick isn't anywhere near Andrew Luck or Steve Young.

If you are referring to my post I didn't say he was.

 

[Xponentialchaos]

If you are referring to my post I didn't say he was.

My fault. I didn't see the bold part you were addressing.

 

[Montalban]

just a question u do know we have the 31st rank D.

When your offense goes 3 and out on every possession and has 3 of the 4 games in the entire league where an offense has 10 or fewer first downs, being ranked 31st is expected. The other team always has the ball.

 

[Pattersonca65]

When your offense goes 3 and out on every possession and has 3 of the 4 games in the entire league where an offense has 10 or fewer first downs, being ranked 31st is expected. The other team always has the ball.

It can't all be blamed on the offense. Against the Giants the offense moved the ball. The defense still couldn't touch Manning or stop NY's offense. How many times did the Giants even punt that game. Against the Ravens, pretty much the same thing. The 49er defense is something like 2nd worst in the league in allowing opposing QBs to throw. In 2014 there were games were the offense struggled but the defense managed to still make stops.

 

[AU_Fever]

yeah let a Qb sit a year. thats why i think kap will be back unless they sign a vet back up to play a year and waste another year. i do think we can rebound quick if they follow what we are saying because we do have alot of cap space. improve oline and get a new staff in here.

I hope not!! It's time to move on and draft a QB.

 

[Xponentialchaos]

I hope not!! It's time to move on and draft a QB.

Yea, seriously. Don't worry, I don't think he'll be back next year.

 

[elw4corps]

Are you serious? How long have you been watching football? Bill Walsh would disagree with you. Steve Young was awful in Tampa Bay. Bill Walsh has commented on numerous occasions about Young's issues do to poor coaching and being on a bad team in Tampa Bay. Steve Young became a hall of flame player because of the 49er coaching staff and the talent around him. To suggest that a QB is not affected by the talent around him or the coaches is just downright silly

While that maybe true, Steve Young was sat down for 3-4 years and was able to learn how to be great. However, steve young is more exception then he is the rule. Colin is a running back playing qb and that is all. A further problem is Colin has bad coaching this year but what about last year? What about the year before in which he had many of the exact same struggles as he had this year? No one is suggesting that coaching and talent around you does not impact you but you seem to be dismissing the fact that your performance is also an independent qualifier as well. Also, to suggest that qb performance does not impact coaching and game schemes is just as silly.

 

[Pattersonca65]

While that maybe true, Steve Young was sat down for 3-4 years and was able to learn how to be great. However, steve young is more exception then he is the rule. Colin is a running back playing qb and that is all. A further problem is Colin has bad coaching this year but what about last year? What about the year before in which he had many of the exact same struggles as he had this year? No one is suggesting that coaching and talent around you does not impact you but you seem to be dismissing the fact that your performance is also an independent qualifier as well. Also, to suggest that qb performance does not impact coaching and game schemes is just as silly.

This wasn't about Kaep. The comment originally ridiculed the notion that the oline needs to be fixed before starting a QB or coaching doesn't really matter. It is not just Steve Young. There are other QBs out there also. Look at Carson Palmer. Most people thought he was garbage and done after leaving the Raiders, now he has revived his career in Arizona. You don't think Bruce Arians had something to do with that. Does anyone believe if Carson Palmer had come to this 49er team instead he would be playing anywhere near as good as he has in AZ?

 

[elw4corps]

i know. i dont get it. oh well let them hate. they just dont know football common sense. it happens. i hope we dont do what they think because we will suck for 5 years.

Jesus Christ, how many times do we have to go through this? I mean seriously. A football team is like a car and if your engine does not work then you are not going anywhere. Your engine is the most important part of your car. Do you know what position equates to the engine. The god damn qb. If your engine is faulty your car isn't going to get you anywhere. We need a new damn engine. It is easier to replace body parts (o-line) than it is to replace your engine.

 

[elw4corps]

This wasn't about Kaep. The comment originally ridiculed the notion that the oline needs to be fixed before starting a QB or coaching doesn't really matter. It is not just Steve Young. There are other QBs out there also. Look at Carson Palmer. Most people thought he was garbage and done after leaving the Raiders, now he has revived his career in Arizona. You don't think Bruce Arians had something to do with that. Does anyone believe if Carson Palmer had come to this 49er team instead he would be playing anywhere near as good as he has in AZ?

No one is saying that the o-line doesn't need to be fixed and i don't understand where this idea keeps coming from? No one is dismissing coaching either, we are all in agreement that coaching is bad but what we are saying that Kaep isn't the guy and no amount of coaching is going to change that. Having a good o-line does help a qb but having a good qb also helps the o-line. Peyton manning and Tom Brady (extreme examples i know) make their o-line look better by their pocket awareness and getting rid of the ball quicker, which means you need to throw recievers open which kaep can't do. You can look at carson palmers during his raider years and if you said i can have 2012 carson palmer over kaep today i would take it because those raider teams were more devoid of talent than this one is and he still managed to throw over 4000 yards and 22 tds. Do you believe kaep is going to hit either one of those numbers this year?

 

[Pattersonca65]

No one is saying that the o-line doesn't need to be fixed and i don't understand where this idea keeps coming from? No one is dismissing coaching either, we are all in agreement that coaching is bad but what we are saying that Kaep isn't the guy and no amount of coaching is going to change that. Having a good o-line does help a qb but having a good qb also helps the o-line. Peyton manning and Tom Brady (extreme examples i know) make their o-line look better by their pocket awareness and getting rid of the ball quicker, which means you need to throw recievers open which kaep can't do. You can look at carson palmers during his raider years and if you said i can have 2012 carson palmer over kaep today i would take it because those raider teams were more devoid of talent than this one is and he still managed to throw over 4000 yards and 22 tds. Do you believe kaep is going to hit either one of those numbers this year?

Go back and read the comments I was referring to. It was about coaching and oline and had nothing to do with Kaep. Those comments were post Kaep so no point in rehashing Kaep here

 

[Ricky Roma]

Are you serious? How long have you been watching football? Bill Walsh would disagree with you. Steve Young was awful in Tampa Bay. Bill Walsh has commented on numerous occasions about Young's issues do to poor coaching and being on a bad team in Tampa Bay. Steve Young became a hall of flame player because of the 49er coaching staff and the talent around him. To suggest that a QB is not affected by the talent around him or the coaches is just downright silly

I've been watching football long before Bill Walsh became the 49ers head coach, so you'd best not go that route with me. The same Bill Walsh would fully agree with me. The same Bill Walsh traded for Young because he knew he wasn't 'ruined' by the experiences he had in Tampa Bay. It doesn't matter how putrid your franchise is.....a bonafide legit all pro pivot is there in the draft, and you have nothing at the position, you take him.

Coaching is important. Talent is important. Team structure is important. However, it doesn't matter what the level is at any or all of those facets of a franchise. If the quarterback is similar to the situation we currently have in SF, and you believe there is 'the next one' sitting in the draft, you take him.

 

[Montalban]

It can't all be blamed on the offense. Against the Giants the offense moved the ball. The defense still couldn't touch Manning or stop NY's offense. How many times did the Giants even punt that game. Against the Ravens, pretty much the same thing. The 49er defense is something like 2nd worst in the league in allowing opposing QBs to throw. In 2014 there were games were the offense struggled but the defense managed to still make stops.

You are right. Its an all around bad team, but this thread is about Kaepernick and clearly he is the #1 reason for the 49ers' struggles this year. I believe the team can get better on defense but cannot improve on offense with a quarterback who limits the offense as much as Kaepernick does.

 

[Montalban]

No one is saying that the o-line doesn't need to be fixed and i don't understand where this idea keeps coming from? No one is dismissing coaching either, we are all in agreement that coaching is bad but what we are saying that Kaep isn't the guy and no amount of coaching is going to change that. Having a good o-line does help a qb but having a good qb also helps the o-line. Peyton manning and Tom Brady (extreme examples i know) make their o-line look better by their pocket awareness and getting rid of the ball quicker, which means you need to throw recievers open which kaep can't do. You can look at carson palmers during his raider years and if you said i can have 2012 carson palmer over kaep today i would take it because those raider teams were more devoid of talent than this one is and he still managed to throw over 4000 yards and 22 tds. Do you believe kaep is going to hit either one of those numbers this year?

Its coming from Purguy. he is trying to deflect some of the criticism his man love, Kaepernick, is getting here.

 

[purguy12]

Its coming from Purguy. he is trying to deflect some of the criticism his man love, Kaepernick, is getting here.

No just stating facts again something u dont get. We have a bad Oline. Most football minds no you build your Oline 1st. U guys just dont get it. After this last post Im done talking to Montalban. He is the biggest moron I ever met on a sports board. 7-8 years ago we did exactly what u guys are saying to do. 49ers had a bad oline and they drafted Alex Smith. We sucked for another 3-5 years until we finally built the Oline. Once we did that Smith was fine. How dont you guys see that. This time lets do the right thing(most GM's would agree) lets fix the Oline and hire a new staff and then let the new staff pick its QB.

1)Oline- I think this can be fixed quickly if AD comes back and Kilgore can be a good starter. If none happens we are in trouble.
2) We need a New HC, DC, OC. This will be tough to do because who will come here.
3)We either draft a QB and let him sit a year behind Kap or We cut Kap sign a Vet and then let the rookie QB sit. IN NO WAY WE START A ROOKIE QB.
4)Fix the D- Again I think we just need to add a Pass rusher and hire a new DC to put us in a better scheme.


This is what we need to do. Can it all be done in 1 Offseason yes. In NO WAY u pick your QB 1st. That would be the dumbest thing ever. Now u are forcing a QB on to your new staff.

 

[purguy12]

Its coming from Purguy. he is trying to deflect some of the criticism his man love, Kaepernick, is getting here.

There is no man Love from me. The only one that loves Kap is you. U keep saying man crush over and over again. That means its you with the crush. I never met someone that loves a player more then you. its crazy. I mean to be honest you said man crush like 15x on this thread.

1st step of recovery is admitting it. U can do it.

Everyone is saying its ok to move on from Kap but for some odd reason u think people have a man crush on Kap. Shows how bright you are. Hang in there man it will get better.

 

[Montalban]

No just stating facts again something u dont get. We have a bad Oline. Most football minds no you build your Oline 1st. U guys just dont get it. After this last post Im done talking to Montalban. He is the biggest moron I ever met on a sports board. 7-8 years ago we did exactly what u guys are saying to do. 49ers had a bad oline and they drafted Alex Smith. We sucked for another 3-5 years until we finally built the Oline. Once we did that Smith was fine. How dont you guys see that. This time lets do the right thing(most GM's would agree) lets fix the Oline and hire a new staff and then let the new staff pick its QB.

1)Oline- I think this can be fixed quickly if AD comes back and Kilgore can be a good starter. If none happens we are in trouble.
2) We need a New HC, DC, OC. This will be tough to do because who will come here.
3)We either draft a QB and let him sit a year behind Kap or We cut Kap sign a Vet and then let the rookie QB sit. IN NO WAY WE START A ROOKIE QB.
4)Fix the D- Again I think we just need to add a Pass rusher and hire a new DC to put us in a better scheme.


This is what we need to do. Can it all be done in 1 Offseason yes. In NO WAY u pick your QB 1st. That would be the dumbest thing ever. Now u are forcing a QB on to your new staff.

LOL! More of the same old gibberish re-packaged to make excuses for his man love