It May Be Time To Start Thinking About Blaine Gabbert

[deep9er]

I mentioned this earlier this season but I'm not sure if it's just purguy (and a lot of fans I see/talk to in real life) but Kap having two good games creates this false "he has potential" narrative that prevents people from understanding just how not good he is at quarterback. Both games he played well in were against horrible defenses. Any time he faces a decent/good defense he crumbles under the pressure.

AND YES I GET IT THE OLINE IS BAD but some of those throws are inexcusable as an NFL QB.

The standard should be to do well against all teams. Yes, any QB will struggle against a top 5 defense, but our standard on Kap shouldn't be how he plays against a crappy Giants pass D or a depleted Ravens team, it should be his work as a whole. And looking at it that way, he's terrible. Kap is good enough to beat bad teams on a good day, but is that a good thing? I don't think so. And I realize how hard it is to field a good QB in this league (it's kind of boggling that out of every human to ever play football there isn't 32 (or even 20?) people that can play this position well)), but watching Kap is very tough. Blaming the Oline and coaches is only half (and I argue less than half) or the problem.

We've seen Kap. We liked him when he was effective. But he is no longer worth it. Should they get rid of him at the end of the year? Yes. Do they have to? I doubt it with all the cap space they have they can just keep him and play him and hope he wins a few games with his legs (but no one wants him to run, including himself). We won't be good for a while, so I don't think it makes a difference who is at QB unless they draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round coming up. Even then, I wouldn't want any "qb of the future" to play with this horrible offense. They would be ruined a la Alex Smith.

Kap sucks, and two good games sandwiched in between a horrible season isn't really all that good. I hope management isn't thinking how purguy is thinking, because how long do they wait before realizing he's not the future? Do they keep thinking like purguy and blame literally everyone BUT Kap and keep him around and keep saying "aw he had those two good games!" or just cut ties? I'd say I know 100 they would cut ties with him b/c of how much it's gonna cost but again, so much room so what does it matter? We all know they don't care about embarrassing management moves, so they won't crumble to fan or media pressure w/r/t Kap.

Yep, Kaep became the starter in 2012, how much more games do we need to see?

It is now WAY past the 'he has potential' point, that point was LAST season.

We need to plan and then search for another QB, granted easier said than done.

 

[elw4corps]

Kap is fine, just need to build around him. He proved it the last 2 games before seattle. I agree he is scared of seattle. This Oline and OC is so bad its not even funny.

Dude are you fucking serious? Kaep is terrible against good or even decent pass defenses because he can't read coverages, he is like stevie wonder playing where's waldo out there when it comes to finding an open man in coverage. Every time he throws he is either playing duck hunt with his high ass throws or whack a mole with his rifle passes into the dirt.

 

[elw4corps]

I mentioned this earlier this season but I'm not sure if it's just purguy (and a lot of fans I see/talk to in real life) but Kap having two good games creates this false "he has potential" narrative that prevents people from understanding just how not good he is at quarterback. Both games he played well in were against horrible defenses. Any time he faces a decent/good defense he crumbles under the pressure.

AND YES I GET IT THE OLINE IS BAD but some of those throws are inexcusable as an NFL QB.

The standard should be to do well against all teams. Yes, any QB will struggle against a top 5 defense, but our standard on Kap shouldn't be how he plays against a crappy Giants pass D or a depleted Ravens team, it should be his work as a whole. And looking at it that way, he's terrible. Kap is good enough to beat bad teams on a good day, but is that a good thing? I don't think so. And I realize how hard it is to field a good QB in this league (it's kind of boggling that out of every human to ever play football there isn't 32 (or even 20?) people that can play this position well)), but watching Kap is very tough. Blaming the Oline and coaches is only half (and I argue less than half) or the problem.

We've seen Kap. We liked him when he was effective. But he is no longer worth it. Should they get rid of him at the end of the year? Yes. Do they have to? I doubt it with all the cap space they have they can just keep him and play him and hope he wins a few games with his legs (but no one wants him to run, including himself). We won't be good for a while, so I don't think it makes a difference who is at QB unless they draft someone in the 1st or 2nd round coming up. Even then, I wouldn't want any "qb of the future" to play with this horrible offense. They would be ruined a la Alex Smith.

Kap sucks, and two good games sandwiched in between a horrible season isn't really all that good. I hope management isn't thinking how purguy is thinking, because how long do they wait before realizing he's not the future? Do they keep thinking like purguy and blame literally everyone BUT Kap and keep him around and keep saying "aw he had those two good games!" or just cut ties? I'd say I know 100 they would cut ties with him b/c of how much it's gonna cost but again, so much room so what does it matter? We all know they don't care about embarrassing management moves, so they won't crumble to fan or media pressure w/r/t Kap.

No, it isn't just purguy sadly. It is mostly fans that don't know much about football that are blinded by kaeps potential and want him to be good so badly that any good game he has is a flash of that potential and a indiciator to them that he may be really good someday. People have a hard time accepting reality and the reality is that kaep sucks like alot.

 

[purguy12]

Sorry but i disagree, it isn't surprising he fell back into his "deer in headlight" mode. Yes, Kaep can have good games too, but his inconsistency is too extreme.

The O-line does have its issues, but you're relying on this excuse too much. Russell Wilson has the worse O-line in the NFL, could you tell their offense was horrible?

The O.C. does make a difference, but again you're relying on this excuse too much.

Nope, I realize Kap isn't great but we can win with him. He has proved that. We just need to surround him with a good core. After this game its Clear its the Oline and OC before Kap.

Yes Wilson didn't do great either. 2 Ints. The difference in that game was Seattle D is a lot better then ours. Wilson has that D to fall back on.

 

[purguy12]

Dude are you fucking serious? Kaep is terrible against good or even decent pass defenses because he can't read coverages, he is like stevie wonder playing where's waldo out there when it comes to finding an open man in coverage. Every time he throws he is either playing duck hunt with his high ass throws or whack a mole with his rifle passes into the dirt.

Im not saying he is great. He isn't the main issue. We need to fix the Oline 1st and then the OC and if that doesn't work then Kap. Kap has showed he can win in this league. U just need to give him a good core.

 

[Robotech]

No, it isn't just purguy sadly. It is mostly fans that don't know much about football that are blinded by kaeps potential and want him to be good so badly that any good game he has is a flash of that potential and a indiciator to them that he may be really good someday. People have a hard time accepting reality and the reality is that kaep sucks like alot.

The reality is that he is a middling QB on a bad team. I don't think there is anyone left on this board who is under the illusion that he is a great QB or has the potential to be a great QB.

 

[Robotech]

Yep, Kaep became the starter in 2012, how much more games do we need to see?

It is now WAY past the 'he has potential' point, that point was LAST season.

We need to plan and then search for another QB, granted easier said than done.

The team should definitely be on the lookout for someone better. Really, the team should be doing that at every position. In an ideal world, we would want a team where no job is ever safe because that will push everyone to be better. Heck, when we had Joe Montana, his job wasn't safe.

If we draft a rookie, hopefully we can afford to have him be a backup for at least a year so that we give him a fair chance to acclimate to NFL life.

 

[elw4corps]

Im not saying he is great. He isn't the main issue. We need to fix the Oline 1st and then the OC and if that doesn't work then Kap. Kap has showed he can win in this league. U just need to give him a good core.

Kaep is one of the main issue. When we were stacked we didn't win with him and by win i mean win a superbowl despite being a better overall team than seattle he self destructs in big games in crucial moments. He is not the guy and o-line is terrible but when we had a good oline he still struggled with accuracy and reading defenses. He still has poor pocket presence and cant feel the rush. That is on him as well as the o-line.

 

[purguy12]

Kaep is one of the main issue. When we were stacked we didn't win with him and by win i mean win a superbowl despite being a better overall team than seattle he self destructs in big games in crucial moments. He is not the guy and o-line is terrible but when we had a good oline he still struggled with accuracy and reading defenses. He still has poor pocket presence and cant feel the rush. That is on him as well as the o-line.

This is so false its not even funny. Im not going to get into this too much. I guess you don't follow the 49ers the last couple of years. We went to a super bowl with him and back to back NFC championship games. In those Playoffs Kap was the main reason we won. If our D showed up in the super bowl we would of won. Kap almost had the biggest super bowl come back in history. He beat Rodgers twice in the playoffs. Our OC called the same play 3 times in a row at the end of the game. He has a winning record in the playoffs.

Come on man just stop. last year and this year our team has been bad. Oline has been bad for 2 years now and our D is one of the worst in the league. kap started playing bad when the team fell apart(thank you York and Baalke).

 

[elw4corps]

This is so false its not even funny. Im not going to get into this too much. I guess you don't follow the 49ers the last couple of years. We went to a super bowl with him and back to back NFC championship games. In those Playoffs Kap was the main reason we won. If our D showed up in the super bowl we would of won. Kap almost had the biggest super bowl come back in history. He beat Rodgers twice in the playoffs. Our OC called the same play 3 times in a row at the end of the game. He has a winning record in the playoffs.

Come on man just stop. last year and this year our team has been bad. Oline has been bad for 2 years now and our D is one of the worst in the league. kap started playing bad when the team fell apart(thank you York and Baalke).

So we are going to sit here and ignore the defense and run game being the bread and butter of the success of those teams. He has a winning record in the playoffs because our defense was stacked with probowlers and all-pros for those two years. The niners offense didn't show up the first half of the super bowl either so that point is mute. I don't deal with almost because almost does not count. It is either he did or did not and he did not come back and win the superbowl and if you listened to ray lewis after the game he said they went cover zero because they believed kaep couldn't make the reads or the throws in the endzone and they were right. If kaep needs an oline of all-pros and probowlers to be good then he isn't very good because rarely does any team have that now a days. You need a qb that can help the o-line out when they are not very good and obivously kaep can't do that.

 

[Robotech]

This is so false its not even funny. Im not going to get into this too much. I guess you don't follow the 49ers the last couple of years. We went to a super bowl with him and back to back NFC championship games. In those Playoffs Kap was the main reason we won. If our D showed up in the super bowl we would of won. Kap almost had the biggest super bowl come back in history. He beat Rodgers twice in the playoffs. Our OC called the same play 3 times in a row at the end of the game. He has a winning record in the playoffs.

Come on man just stop. last year and this year our team has been bad. Oline has been bad for 2 years now and our D is one of the worst in the league. kap started playing bad when the team fell apart(thank you York and Baalke).

Lots of reasons we didn't win that Super Bowl (giving up a KR TD, LMJ fumble, Kap throwing a pick, struggling defense because Aldon and Cowboy were both dealing with injuries, official not having the courage to throw a flag for holding or pass interference on that last pass to Crabtree, etc.). At the end of the day, we win and lose as a team, just like what we're doing now.

 

[purguy12]

No, it isn't just purguy sadly. It is mostly fans that don't know much about football that are blinded by kaeps potential and want him to be good so badly that any good game he has is a flash of that potential and a indiciator to them that he may be really good someday. People have a hard time accepting reality and the reality is that kaep sucks like alot.

No another false statement from you. I never said he is great. Im just stating we have other issues besides Kap and he isn't #1 issue because we have won with him. these are Facts. I have no problem walking away from Kap. I have stated that multiple times. U need to stop making things up and actually state some Facts instead of hatred over Kap. We cut Kap we have around 60 mill to spend this up coming FA. Im ok with that. there are other things that need to get fixed 1st.

We need to fix the Oline 1st and then get an OC. If Kap is still avg or sucks then say bye to him. Our OC doesn't put our best players on the field. I already posted 3 examples of it.

Give me something elw....... All im getting from you is Bull Crap.

 

[Robotech]

So we are going to sit here and ignore the defense and run game being the bread and butter of the success of those teams. He has a winning record in the playoffs because our defense was stacked with probowlers and all-pros for those two years. The niners offense didn't show up the first half of the super bowl either so that point is mute. I don't deal with almost because almost does not count. It is either he did or did not and he did not come back and win the superbowl and if you listened to ray lewis after the game he said they went cover zero because they believed kaep couldn't make the reads or the throws in the endzone and they were right. If kaep needs an oline of all-pros and probowlers to be good then he isn't very good because rarely does any team have that now a days. You need a qb that can help the o-line out when they are not very good and obivously kaep can't do that.

The defense really wasn't playing well during that Super Bowl run. They played really well in the playoffs the year before (they were monstrous against Eli and the Giants in the NFC Championship Game).

 

[purguy12]

So we are going to sit here and ignore the defense and run game being the bread and butter of the success of those teams. He has a winning record in the playoffs because our defense was stacked with probowlers and all-pros for those two years. The niners offense didn't show up the first half of the super bowl either so that point is mute. I don't deal with almost because almost does not count. It is either he did or did not and he did not come back and win the superbowl and if you listened to ray lewis after the game he said they went cover zero because they believed kaep couldn't make the reads or the throws in the endzone and they were right. If kaep needs an oline of all-pros and probowlers to be good then he isn't very good because rarely does any team have that now a days. You need a qb that can help the o-line out when they are not very good and obivously kaep can't do that.

In season yes it was our bread and butter. Also Kap was a part of that running game. In the Playoffs Kap led this team to victories. Like I said about 5 times now if we build around Kap with a good core we can win with him. This year our D is really bad and our Oline is really bad.Kap wont win with this team as is.

Just don't act like Kap didn't do anything. It looks bad on your part.

 

[purguy12]

The defense really wasn't playing well during that Super Bowl run. They played really well in the playoffs the year before (they were monstrous against Eli and the Giants in the NFC Championship Game).

Thank you Robo. Trying to help this kid but he doesn't get it.

 

[purguy12]

Lots of reasons we didn't win that Super Bowl (giving up a KR TD, LMJ fumble, Kap throwing a pick, struggling defense because Aldon and Cowboy were both dealing with injuries, official not having the courage to throw a flag for holding or pass interference on that last pass to Crabtree, etc.). At the end of the day, we win and lose as a team, just like what we're doing now.

My main opinion we lost was because of Roman. No clue how you run the same 3 straight plays.

Kap played an awesome game in that super bowl. We should won. D hurt us and our OC in that final series.

 

[deep9er]

Dude are you fucking serious? Kaep is terrible against good or even decent pass defenses because he can't read coverages, he is like stevie wonder playing where's waldo out there when it comes to finding an open man in coverage. Every time he throws he is either playing duck hunt with his high ass throws or whack a mole with his rifle passes into the dirt.

don't know if it is reading defenses but yep, he still can't "throw the receiver open". he needs the receiver to be 'static' and wide open, before he throws it. That is too late in the NFL.

there were exceptions, but in general he still can't throw them open. Since there aren't enough 'exceptions', he'll never be consistent enough.

they still aren't taking advantage of his running, so where does that leave him? at this point, i'd go ahead and call some run plays.

 

[elw4corps]

No another false statement from you. I never said he is great. Im just stating we have other issues besides Kap and he isn't #1 issue because we have won with him. these are Facts. I have no problem walking away from Kap. I have stated that multiple times. U need to stop making things up and actually state some Facts instead of hatred over Kap. We cut Kap we have around 60 mill to spend this up coming FA. Im ok with that. there are other things that need to get fixed 1st.

We need to fix the Oline 1st and then get an OC. If Kap is still avg or sucks then say bye to him. Our OC doesn't put our best players on the field. I already posted 3 examples of it.

Give me something elw....... All im getting from you is Bull Crap.

Oh you are funny, you are speaking half truths and saying i am giving you bull crap. I never said you said he is great, what i am saying is your making excuses for his performances against decent to good pass defenses. I mean we have been blaming an OC for his performances for what three four seasons now you figured you would look at the common thread between those three four seasons but fine whatever. To win in this league and by win i mean a superbowl you need a franchise qb. One that can make all the throws because even with a good o-line not many elite o-lines out there you will not win because the qb can make the o-line look better than it really is by quick decisions and accurate throws when the reverse happens you have a mediocre qb that will flounder the moment a great pass rush or pass defense is presented which is what we are witnessing now

 

[purguy12]

So we are going to sit here and ignore the defense and run game being the bread and butter of the success of those teams. He has a winning record in the playoffs because our defense was stacked with probowlers and all-pros for those two years. The niners offense didn't show up the first half of the super bowl either so that point is mute. I don't deal with almost because almost does not count. It is either he did or did not and he did not come back and win the superbowl and if you listened to ray lewis after the game he said they went cover zero because they believed kaep couldn't make the reads or the throws in the endzone and they were right. If kaep needs an oline of all-pros and probowlers to be good then he isn't very good because rarely does any team have that now a days. You need a qb that can help the o-line out when they are not very good and obivously kaep can't do that.

Ray Lewis is a moron. LOL oh yeah Ray Lewis was right about the redzone. LOL
Kaps stats: 16/28 for 302 yards 1 TD and 1 Int, 62 yards rushing and a TD.

Come on man just Stop.

 

[purguy12]

Oh you are funny, you are speaking half truths and saying i am giving you bull crap. I never said you said he is great, what i am saying is your making excuses for his performances against decent to good pass defenses. I mean we have been blaming an OC for his performances for what three four seasons now you figured you would look at the common thread between those three four seasons but fine whatever. To win in this league and by win i mean a superbowl you need a franchise qb. One that can make all the throws because even with a good o-line not many elite o-lines out there you will not win because the qb can make the o-line look better than it really is by quick decisions and accurate throws when the reverse happens you have a mediocre qb that will flounder the moment a great pass rush or pass defense is presented which is what we are witnessing now

We haven't had a good OC. no clue what u are talking about. What happen the last 2 games against Giants and Ravens. Oline is the building block for any QB. With out a good Oline no QB would do well. Now the top tier QB find a way but their aren't many in this league. 2-4 in this league. I mean come on Kap is having a better year then the Great Andrew Luck. No clue why people think he is great. He has a bad oline and cant do much.

1 Change this Oline needs to do is start Tiller. 2nd Kilgore comes back he replaces Martin and I think we will have an Avg Line.