It May Be Time To Start Thinking About Blaine Gabbert

[van_basten]

Nope, I realize Kap isn't great but we can win with him. He has proved that. We just need to surround him with a good core. After this game its Clear its the Oline and OC before Kap.

Yes Wilson didn't do great either. 2 Ints. The difference in that game was Seattle D is a lot better then ours. Wilson has that D to fall back on.

Wilson's oline sucks also. The difference is that Wilson seem to make the most out of it under heavy pressure. There were times that he had no chances. And there were times that he had a window and he was able to either take off, made a quick pass, or getting out of pocket and made a pass on the run.

Kap had zero rush attempt. Are we blaming this on the OC too? There were numerous times he had an open lane in front of him and he did not take off. And of course Kap didn't have an INT. Since his 4 INTs game, he just plays scare and just throw the ball to the ground, instead of giving his WRs a chance. Kap simply can't read defense and can't make the right decision. This is already his 5th season and we can't expect him to improve.

 

[elw4corps]

Ray Lewis is a moron. LOL oh yeah Ray Lewis was right about the redzone. LOL
Kaps stats: 16/28 for 302 yards 1 TD and 1 Int, 62 yards rushing and a TD.

Come on man just Stop.

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[purguy12]

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Yes I feel bad for you. We are trying to help you out. hang in there man.

 

[purguy12]

Wilson's oline sucks also. The difference is that Wilson seem to make the most out of it under heavy pressure. There were times that he had no chances. And there were times that he had a window and he was able to either take off, made a quick pass, or getting out of pocket and made a pass on the run.

Kap had zero rush attempt. Are we blaming this on the OC too? There were numerous times he had an open lane in front of him and he did not take off. And of course Kap didn't have an INT. Since his 4 INTs game, he just plays scare and just throw the ball to the ground, instead of giving his WRs a chance. Kap simply can't read defense and can't make the right decision. This is already his 5th season and we can't expect him to improve.

Wilson had 2 Ints last night. He isn't having a good year and seattle has 4 L's already.

I agree with you that I don't understand how he didn't rush at all. I agree 100% he played scared last night. When he saw that the Oline was going to have a long night he packed it in. Also didn't help when the OC had so many 1 WR sets. LOL

This team overall is just a mess. nothing can help them this year.

 

[elw4corps]

We haven't had a good OC. no clue what u are talking about. What happen the last 2 games against Giants and Ravens. Oline is the building block for any QB. With out a good Oline no QB would do well. Now the top tier QB find a way but their aren't many in this league. 2-4 in this league. I mean come on Kap is having a better year then the Great Andrew Luck. No clue why people think he is great. He has a bad oline and cant do much.

1 Change this Oline needs to do is start Tiller. 2nd Kilgore comes back he replaces Martin and I think we will have an Avg Line.

The giants and ravens have terrible pass defenses. I mean what the hell is wrong with you. Roman is isn't perfect but do you think kaeps limitations had nothing to do with his play calling? Are you honestly going to sit there and type that kaeps limitations do not affect any type of game planning? A guy that can't make accurate throws to rb or wr's five yards down the field or even touch passes at all for the most part does not impact game planning? So having qb that can't read an entire field or he gets confused and holds on to the ball so they constantly have to roll him out of the pocket to limit his reads or only giving him one read plays isn't going to affect what plays you run and out what formations? I am going to stop because explaining football to you is explaining astrophysics to a newborn baby.

 

[elw4corps]

Yes I feel bad for you. We are trying to help you out. hang in there man.

You should be a comedian and tell jokes.

 

[purguy12]

The giants and ravens have terrible pass defenses. I mean what the hell is wrong with you. Roman is isn't perfect but do you think kaeps limitations had nothing to do with his play calling? Are you honestly going to sit there and type that kaeps limitations do not affect any type of game planning? A guy that can't make accurate throws to rb or wr's five yards down the field or even touch passes at all for the most part does not impact game planning? So having qb that can't read an entire field or he gets confused and holds on to the ball so they constantly have to roll him out of the pocket to limit his reads or only giving him one read plays isn't going to affect what plays you run and out what formations? I am going to stop because explaining football to you is explaining astrophysics to a newborn baby.

What the hell is wrong with you. What matters about a pass rush. If anything it helps my argument out. it shows that when Kap has time he can do well. Thanks for helping me out.

No he has limits but our OC doesn't game plan for it or put this team in a position to succeed. 1) how does miller only play 20% of the snaps after back to back weeks of 40% and we looked good on offense. 2)Ellington looks good on opening series against giants and we don't see him again 3) Tiller has been graded positive and has been graded top 2 on the oline and doesn't start. 4) 1 WR sets. last night they ran 15-20 1 WR sets. we passed on 50% of them. makes no sense.

These are things im talking about our OC.

 

[elw4corps]

The defense really wasn't playing well during that Super Bowl run. They played really well in the playoffs the year before (they were monstrous against Eli and the Giants in the NFC Championship Game).

The defense was not at the level of 2011 but the defense was playing well despite being banged up and came up with big stops when we needed them to. Remeber they shut out the falcons in the second half and gave up what six points in the second half you can't ask your defense for much more.

In season yes it was our bread and butter. Also Kap was a part of that running game. In the Playoffs Kap led this team to victories. Like I said about 5 times now if we build around Kap with a good core we can win with him. This year our D is really bad and our Oline is really bad.Kap wont win with this team as is.

Just don't act like Kap didn't do anything. It looks bad on your part.

Kaep was part of the running game correct but the rest of nfl defenses hadn't figured him out yet he was the new kid on the block and they defensive coordinators had not figured him out yet so stop acting like it is 2012. Kaep had a great game versus the packers and an good game against the falcons with gore carrying the load. So let's not act like Kaep put the team on his back and carried the team.

 

[purguy12]

We will never agree on this subject. u are a kap hater(all u say is negative things and don't point out positives) and im realistic about the situation(Kap is avg to good QB who can win with a supporting cast). Yes he needs to have help and cant carry a team by himself.

Even Dion Sanders said its not all Kap. People are realizing its not all Kap and its the Oline and coaching staff that is a mess.

 

[elw4corps]

We will never agree on this subject. u are a kap hater(all u say is negative things and don't point out positives) and im realistic about the situation(Kap is avg to good QB who can win with a supporting cast). Yes he needs to have help and cant carry a team by himself.

Even Dion Sanders said its not all Kap. People are realizing its not all Kap and its the Oline and coaching staff that is a mess.

No, i am not a kaep hater, he is what he is a mediocre quarterback. I give him credit where it is due and that is he can run fast. He is wildly inaccurate and poor pocket presence. All qbs need help but the lengths necessary to help kaep are Herculean because it is rare in today's nfl to have teams like we did in 2011-2012 due to free agancy. The smartest player on the field always has to be your qb and can you honestly say that when kaep steps on the field he is the smartest player out of the 22 on the field because i can't. No one has ever denied the o-line and coaching staff is a mess but to sit here and say kaep is not a problem is a lie. He is a major issue as well. He is not the guy and we need to move on.

 

[elw4corps]

Also, i find it funny you are quoting dion sanders but will mock me quoting ray lewis after he won the super bowl explaining the defense they played and why they played it.

 

[deep9er]

We will never agree on this subject. u are a kap hater(all u say is negative things and don't point out positives) and im realistic about the situation(Kap is avg to good QB who can win with a supporting cast). Yes he needs to have help and cant carry a team by himself.

Even Dion Sanders said its not all Kap. People are realizing its not all Kap and its the Oline and coaching staff that is a mess.

i agree with this but "ave to good" only comes out 1 in every 3 games.

 

[purguy12]

most QB are good to avg handful of great to super star QBs. past says we can win with kap if we build a supporting cast around him. thats all im saying. he isnt great but can win

 

[deep9er]

“Something big” could be coming for 49ers

can't imagine they'd fire Baalke or Tomsula just yet, so i take this to mean what this thread is about.

 

[deep9er]

most QB are good to avg handful of great to super star QBs. past says we can win with kap if we build a supporting cast around him. thats all im saying. he isnt great but can win

Purguy, this is what you're saying..............Devey just needs a good Center to his left, and a good RT to his right, then with this good supporting cast, Devey will be GOOD. Devey won't be great, but good.

Devey isn't good now because Martin and Pears are the cause.

 

[purguy12]

Purguy, this is what you're saying..............Devey just needs a good Center to his left, and a good RT to his right, then with this good supporting cast, Devey will be GOOD. Devey won't be great, but good.

Devey isn't good now because Martin and Pears are the cause.

not even close. Kap has won with a good oline. this statement makes no sense. comparison is a bad one.

 

[purguy12]

“Something big” could be coming for 49ers

can't imagine they'd fire Baalke or Tomsula just yet, so i take this to mean what this thread is about.

i think they fire mangini. just my gut feeling.

 

[elw4corps]

Purguy, this is what you're saying..............Devey just needs a good Center to his left, and a good RT to his right, then with this good supporting cast, Devey will be GOOD. Devey won't be great, but good.

Devey isn't good now because Martin and Pears are the cause.

I have been trying to get him to see this all day

 

[purguy12]

I have been trying to get him to see this all day

its not even close. kap has won with a good oline. its a fact. u are 100% wrong. we havent had a good oline in 2 years. hence 2 bad seasons. come on guys u cant argue facts. i give up trying to help u elw. u are a lost cause on this subject. it is what it is.

 

[purguy12]

Ex-NFL lineman: 49ers O-line worst in last three decades

hope this helps u guys. I can lead u to water but I can't make you drink it.
Great quote from this article.

Stretch Armstrong couldn't play behind that line of scrimmage right there. I don't care if you're a super hero, you're not doing anything behind the way they played last night. They should be embarrassed ... C'mon, clown. Block somebody."