It is time to talk about trading Jordan Poole

[Shanemansj13]

The Lakers don't make sense from a Warriors perspective unless they're looking to shed salary and want expiring deals.

But even then, they could likely get better players on expiring deals than the Lakers could offer.

From the Lakers perspective it makes some sense though.

I don't think it makes any sense bc the Lakers do not have young assets and don't seem to be willing to give up future picks. They can unload him this year easily for expiring contracts, it's just about who wants to pay him that money long-term. The main point would be getting something for him that is half way decent. I'm not sure why they would just dump him rather than keeping him or possibly wait till next offseason, which seems more likely. From the handful of teams that have projected cap space next season, the Lakers don't make sense. (LAL, OKC, CHA, DET, ORL, IND, HOU, SAS)

They could also just wait till his new contract kicks in and then trade him including young players and picks for a big salary. It seems they don't care about paying tax at this point so it would be improving their roster as much as they could going forward imo. Only reason I mentioned PG, not that it makes sense, just an example.

 

[msgkings322]

No one could have seen this coming

Oh wait


I did.

This is my take I don't see any indication the Warriors are thinking this way

 

[Stakesarehigh]

This is my take I don't see any indication the Warriors are thinking this way

I'm just referring to me saying extending him was a bad idea. I'd have let him walk.

 

[msgkings322]

I'm just referring to me saying extending him was a bad idea. I'd have let him walk.

Depends on if they turn him into something better, which is still very doable. This thread was about me deciding at the halfway mark that he's not that great of a player and expendable.

 

[tlance]

Depends on if they turn him into something better, which is still very doable. This thread was about me deciding at the halfway mark that he's not that great of a player and expendable.

Yeah, but a lot of us saw this last year.

 

[msgkings322]

Yeah, but a lot of us saw this last year.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Golden State is now going through what most teams have gone though for years...

Mediocrity.

Gotta love it.

 

[HurricaneDij39]

Let's get Jordan Poole and Trae Young on the same team. We need to create a team of wannabe Stephs...

 

[msgkings322]

Golden State is now going through what most teams have gone though for years...

Mediocrity.

Gotta love it.

It's been a mediocre 8 years for sure.

 

[msgkings322]

Let's get Jordan Poole and Trae Young on the same team. We need to create a team of wannabe Stephs...

Pool I think wants to be Steve Francis more

 

[Ojb81]

it was a helluva run, but it's over. the warriors are just a blah team now. no trade is going to change that.

 

[msgkings322]

it was a helluva run, but it's over. the warriors are just a blah team now. no trade is going to change that.

Yeah it's been a while since they were good

 

[Ojb81]

Yeah it's been a while since they were good

Damn skippy

 

[CitySushi]

IMO, this would be the absolute worst time to try to trade Poole for many reasons. The biggest is that any return for him would be at it's absolute lowest.

The problem with Poole is two-fold:

1) Decision Making
2) Defense

Both of those problems above are salvageable, IMO. He just got a bag. Most times players will try to up their level of play and try to do too much to justify their contract. For Poole, this could be the case. The other part of the problem with this is that because of all the injuries and inefficiencies of the bench, he's trying to do too much. A lot of that is being asked of him though. It's why none of the vets or coaching staff are saying "he needs to be better about turnovers" but actually the opposite. They're defending him because they know what he's been asked to do and what the limitations of the rest of the roster are.

Defense...there's no substitute for effort. He's allocating 100% of his energy to offense and leaving nothing for the other end. A big part of this is that he needs to hit the weight room. He's getting knocked around, he's unable to fight through screens and overall just taking easier routes instead of being physical up on the player he's guarding. He needs a bit of a body transformation and needs to be stronger.

There's no question that Poole is worse this year versus his play last year. That doesn't mean it's time to jump ship. It's time to alter course of play. The Warriors paid him that money not for what he is, but what he could be for them going forward. He still has that potential, it's just a matter of the Warriors (and Poole) figuring out how to best be the player he needs to be.

 

[The Q]

IMO, this would be the absolute worst time to try to trade Poole for many reasons. The biggest is that any return for him would be at it's absolute lowest.

The problem with Poole is two-fold:

1) Decision Making
2) Defense

Both of those problems above are salvageable, IMO. He just got a bag. Most times players will try to up their level of play and try to do too much to justify their contract. For Poole, this could be the case. The other part of the problem with this is that because of all the injuries and inefficiencies of the bench, he's trying to do too much. A lot of that is being asked of him though. It's why none of the vets or coaching staff are saying "he needs to be better about turnovers" but actually the opposite. They're defending him because they know what he's been asked to do and what the limitations of the rest of the roster are.

Defense...there's no substitute for effort. He's allocating 100% of his energy to offense and leaving nothing for the other end. A big part of this is that he needs to hit the weight room. He's getting knocked around, he's unable to fight through screens and overall just taking easier routes instead of being physical up on the player he's guarding. He needs a bit of a body transformation and needs to be stronger.

There's no question that Poole is worse this year versus his play last year. That doesn't mean it's time to jump ship. It's time to alter course of play. The Warriors paid him that money not for what he is, but what he could be for them going forward. He still has that potential, it's just a matter of the Warriors (and Poole) figuring out how to best be the player he needs to be.

If you have the athletic, there’s a good article about Nembhard (pacers) in there that puts a lot of bad defenders to shame.

Dude is not overly big, long, and is a well below average nba athlete and he’s willing himself into a good defender.

I think it’s in a hollinger article

 

[CitySushi]

If you have the athletic, there’s a good article about Nembhard (pacers) in there that puts a lot of bad defenders to shame.

Dude is not overly big, long, and is a well below average nba athlete and he’s willing himself into a good defender.

I think it’s in a hollinger article

I like Nembhard.

Honestly defense is not just about athleticism. It's about effort and it's about IQ.

Draymond is not the most explosive athlete, but he makes it work by knowing position. Bruce Bowen wasn't an exceptional athlete. Neither was Joe Dumars. You can definitely be a plus defender just by effort and IQ.

 

[tlance]

IMO, this would be the absolute worst time to try to trade Poole for many reasons. The biggest is that any return for him would be at it's absolute lowest.

The problem with Poole is two-fold:

1) Decision Making
2) Defense

Both of those problems above are salvageable, IMO. He just got a bag. Most times players will try to up their level of play and try to do too much to justify their contract. For Poole, this could be the case. The other part of the problem with this is that because of all the injuries and inefficiencies of the bench, he's trying to do too much. A lot of that is being asked of him though. It's why none of the vets or coaching staff are saying "he needs to be better about turnovers" but actually the opposite. They're defending him because they know what he's been asked to do and what the limitations of the rest of the roster are.

Defense...there's no substitute for effort. He's allocating 100% of his energy to offense and leaving nothing for the other end. A big part of this is that he needs to hit the weight room. He's getting knocked around, he's unable to fight through screens and overall just taking easier routes instead of being physical up on the player he's guarding. He needs a bit of a body transformation and needs to be stronger.

There's no question that Poole is worse this year versus his play last year. That doesn't mean it's time to jump ship. It's time to alter course of play. The Warriors paid him that money not for what he is, but what he could be for them going forward. He still has that potential, it's just a matter of the Warriors (and Poole) figuring out how to best be the player he needs to be.

I agree with most of this except the end.

I don’t necessarily think it was a mistake to extend Poole if they trade him next summer.

But, I also don’t think his upside is likely to be realized in GS. And the fit with Curry just doesn’t make sense.

So if you can trade him for a better fitting piece at another position? Like an Ayton?

You do it and don’t look back.

 

[msgkings322]

IMO, this would be the absolute worst time to try to trade Poole for many reasons. The biggest is that any return for him would be at it's absolute lowest.

The problem with Poole is two-fold:

1) Decision Making
2) Defense

Both of those problems above are salvageable, IMO. He just got a bag. Most times players will try to up their level of play and try to do too much to justify their contract. For Poole, this could be the case. The other part of the problem with this is that because of all the injuries and inefficiencies of the bench, he's trying to do too much. A lot of that is being asked of him though. It's why none of the vets or coaching staff are saying "he needs to be better about turnovers" but actually the opposite. They're defending him because they know what he's been asked to do and what the limitations of the rest of the roster are.

Defense...there's no substitute for effort. He's allocating 100% of his energy to offense and leaving nothing for the other end. A big part of this is that he needs to hit the weight room. He's getting knocked around, he's unable to fight through screens and overall just taking easier routes instead of being physical up on the player he's guarding. He needs a bit of a body transformation and needs to be stronger.

There's no question that Poole is worse this year versus his play last year. That doesn't mean it's time to jump ship. It's time to alter course of play. The Warriors paid him that money not for what he is, but what he could be for them going forward. He still has that potential, it's just a matter of the Warriors (and Poole) figuring out how to best be the player he needs to be.

You're ignoring another big problem, he's a bad 3 point shooter who takes a lot of them. Not sure if that's fixable if he hasn't yet.

But I agree during the season it doesn't work. Maybe in the offseason...and the Ayton idea might work as Phoenix wants him gone and he wants to leave, might be motivated on a new team.

 

[tlance]

You're ignoring another big problem, he's a bad 3 point shooter who takes a lot of them. Not sure if that's fixable if he hasn't yet.

But I agree during the season it doesn't work. Maybe in the offseason...and the Ayton idea might work as Phoenix wants him gone and he wants to leave, might be motivated on a new team.

Whoa now.

Jordan Poole is an excellent 3 point shooter.

He just takes a lot of bad shots. He takes Curry shots. And he isn’t Curry.

So his percentage sucks.

 

[msgkings322]

Whoa now.

Jordan Poole is an excellent 3 point shooter.

He just takes a lot of bad shots. He takes Curry shots. And he isn’t Curry.

So his percentage sucks.

Um....Im'a call that a bad shooter if he takes....bad shots

And 30% is bad no matter where he shoots, see him miss some right on the line badly almost every game.