Is the NFL manipulating games for profit?

[HaroldSeattle]

dude, vegas 1 in 16 or 40 or what ever type odds have nothing to do with real math probabilities of a team making it to a super bowl. It is you that doesn't understand math.

Yup, it has got to option 3 IMO.

 

[ram29jackson]

Lol dude your funny... If Seattle repeats it's gonna be funny to see what your excuse will be... Maybe the league needed a repeat champion for ratings ?? Prepare your possible conspiracy theories...

my excuse will be "who gives a fuck,its just time killer sports bullshit"

that said they wont get it again. The league got them their one little prize and will move away from that small market annoying north west team to a more fan friendly super star QB for the next big game.

 

[Podunkparte]

Tell us all about the Illuminati's role in last year's Super Bowl Halftime show, pleeeeease!

 

[Podunkparte]

my excuse will be "who gives a fuck,its just time killer sports bullshit"

that said they wont get it again. The league got them their one little prize and will move away from that small market annoying north west team to a more fan friendly super star QB for the next big game.

Everything you just wrote contradicts your entire point but you're too fucking stupid to realize it.

 

[BOTSLAYER]

This has become the religion debate. The science people provide non debatable facts to make rational deductions and the religious people counter by shouting obscenities claiming lunacy.

...But if you are saying thats obvious football knowledge then I would want to say to people who mock me(not you) for saying it...

Most knowledge is obvious, but so rarely is it common.

 

[SonnyCID]

Before the SB ram was on this board saying over and over again how the Broncos would win, "manning is too smart for the Seahawk defense", "Denver has a 'championship defense' that will give the Seahawks offense just as much problems as the hawk defense will give the Denver offense", blah, blah, blah. He was full of these predictions.

But now.... According to him, the Seahawk blowout was inevitable and scripted.

Seriously, if this theory was true there would be many more blatant examples of god awful calls late in elimination games, like every year. Its easy to say that the NFL wanted to the saints or giants to win, or wanted the harbowl to happen. But there is no evidence of tampering in any of those 4 situations. And there is not enough evidence with other winners being chosen to suggest that if those teams had not made the clutch plays they did (Tyree's catch, Porters pick-6, Flaccos bomb to Jones), that the NFL would have forced the same outcome with egregious flags.

 

[WizardHawk]

dude, vegas 1 in 16 or 40 or what ever type odds have nothing to do with real math probabilities of a team making it to a super bowl. It is you that doesn't understand math.

I work in the casino industry and created the odds tables for various table games for many years. I have a complete grasp of probabilities and standard deviation.

It is not a 1 in a billion chance for ANY team to reach the SB given the number of teams and the number of games played. If this was baseball where they have so many games the odds would skyrocket, but a team getting hot and winning a few lucky games and only needing to win 3-4 post season games to get there does not add up to a billion.

Nice try skippy, but you are totally lost.

 

[mrwallace2ku]

I work in the casino industry and created the odds tables for various table games for many years. I have a complete grasp of probabilities and standard deviation.

It is not a 1 in a billion chance for ANY team to reach the SB given the number of teams and the number of games played. If this was baseball where they have so many games the odds would skyrocket, but a team getting hot and winning a few lucky games and only needing to win 3-4 post season games to get there does not add up to a billion.

Nice try skippy, but you are totally lost.

I'll see you at the craps table, playing the "Pass line" and backing that play up 5-1 on it's "insurance bet" fine sir.

 

[WizardHawk]

Before the SB ram was on this board saying over and over again how the Broncos would win, "manning is too smart for the Seahawk defense", "Denver has a 'championship defense' that will give the Seahawks offense just as much problems as the hawk defense will give the Denver offense", blah, blah, blah. He was full of these predictions.

But now.... According to him, the Seahawk blowout was inevitable and scripted.

Seriously, if this theory was true there would be many more blatant examples of god awful calls late in elimination games, like every year. Its easy to say that the NFL wanted to the saints or giants to win, or wanted the harbowl to happen. But there is no evidence of tampering in any of those 4 situations. And there is not enough evidence with other winners being chosen to suggest that if those teams had not made the clutch plays they did (Tyree's catch, Porters pick-6, Flaccos bomb to Jones), that the NFL would have forced the same outcome with egregious flags.

The only way that SB was manipulated is if the league paid the equipment guy for the broncos to slip in some ruffies into their Gatorade.

As I already asked him why wouldn't the broncos have been the team of destiny if this was about profits? The Peyton legacy angle and the greatest offense in history would have provided a FAR more compelling profits margin than the small market team with the big mouth player destroying that aforementioned money draw.

You can't use logic with conspiracy nuts. You either wear the tinfoil hat or you don't.

 

[Scooby-Doo]

For the record I am not saying every Superbowl is pre-scripted or fixed, I am saying that several games are fixed by Vegas, organized crime and the league each for the same reason.

What I find ridiculous is this, people can watch a million different angles on instant replay and see that the play was called wrong. Then, a professional who is trained to see the correct play can watch the same replays and he is going to get it wrong accidentally. So you are telling me that every dude on the couch with Tivo is a better ref than the guys getting paid to do it?




Yes, because people have never been duped into believing things that were not true and people have never believed propaganda or done immoral things for money.


The Earth was once known to be flat.

The NFL is a beast. It would be virtually impossible for some underground organized crime faction to get all the pieces in place to fix a game.

There are too many pieces in an NFL game and too few scoring plays to where an individual could make a consistent difference. It's not like boxing where one guy can control the entire outcome. With 22 people on the field not including officials, it would be a gamble in itself hoping one guy controls the entire outcome. I wouldn't be comfortable throwing big money at those odds.

One more point, and this may be for for ramjackson. If the NFL is trying to control games, why would they allow instant replay to begin with? Isn't that counterproductive to their cause?

 

[sonnyblack65]

you are right to a degree. Seattle has never....up until last year. So unless Russell becomes the next big thing they wont for a long time again.


man, talk about bias on your part. Its painfully obvious how much slack Seattle was given last year.
trust me, this year you are going to wonder why the heck they cant catch any breaks what so ever.

Paul Allens sent billions to the Govt and they replaced the ref's in each of their games by MIB. If it wasn't by that 1 bad ref call, Denver would have won. Seattle has 7 yr gvt contract, so 6 more Lombardi's. Got to run little gray shorties gonna take me on spin in their Whip. Dont see any wheels on it and weird round saucer type shape

 

[ram29jackson]

Everything you just wrote contradicts your entire point but you're too fucking stupid to realize it.

LOL I'm fully aware that the statement does that but like I said, it really doesn't matter and I don't care. This is sports talk. It means nothing ultimately.

But the fact is I wont be wrong.

 

[WizardHawk]

LOL I'm fully aware that the statement does that but like I said, it really doesn't matter and I don't care. This is sports talk. It means nothing ultimately.

But the fact is I wont be wrong.

Given that the overall odds of Seattle returning as SB champs again this coming year is around 20% you will still look more like nostradumbass than a sage for being right.

 

[ram29jackson]

But now.... According to him, the Seahawk blowout was inevitable and scripted.

no, according to me, I've spoken about what I've spoken about. No where have I said anything about the SB last year or how anything happened in that game.

You are making a sweeping generalization without thinking.

if the league manipulates games by officials it doesn't mean they have to or need to for every single game.

the players actually play the games as they would normally. refs manipulate games when needed.
but the league is good and successful and the players are pro's.

For all I know the SB was played as it normally would because the league did enough to get the match up it wanted. Number 1 D- VS number 1 O-. Then they just let it play naturally.

its not that impossible to fathom.

whomever said I said thus and such last year about Denver.-That doesn't mean anything. I just thought they would actually win last year. It had nothing to do with what I'm thinking may or may not be happening now.

last couple years though before I thought anything was being tampered with I was still sketchy about the fact that 4 rookie /second year QBs come in to the league and are doing that well at once that soon.

it makes perfect sense to say the new passing rules make QBs look and perform much better than they are which in turn helps the league manipulate games better. But of course the league tells you it was for player safety and to simply open up the game.

 

[WizardHawk]

This is how I picture ram.

Doubt I'm that far off.

 

[ram29jackson]

Given that the overall odds of Seattle returning as SB champs again this coming year is around 20% you will still look more like nostradumbass than a sage for being right.

so you are then saying I know just as much about football as you do.
but I believe in premeditated choice and you believe in premeditated chance.

so you agree with that because you know so much about football or you agree with that because you were told that ? Make up your mind. You know more about football than me but we are saying the same thing?

make up your mind. So if it happens I was just lucky but you were football knowledgeable?

LOL this may be extreme to you but I'll put it out there.
the media sources/networks and NFL are in bed with each other for billions of dollars=fact.

you don't think its possible for them to feed percentages to people about odds and percentages and see which way the fan support and betting trends go to either feed off it or manipulate it as they see fit ?

 

[Scooby-Doo]

so you are then saying I know just as much about football as you do.
but I believe in premeditated choice and you believe in premeditated chance.

so you agree with that because you know so much about football or you agree with that because you were told that ? Make up your mind. You know more about football than me but we are saying the same thing?

make up your mind. So if it happens I was just lucky but you were football knowledgeable?

LOL this may be extreme to you but I'll put it out there.
the media sources/networks and NFL are in bed with each other for billions of dollars=fact.

you don't think its possible for them to feed percentages to people about odds and percentages and see which way the fan support and betting trends go to either feed off it or manipulate it as they see fit ?

How can chance be premeditated?

The fact that these thoughts occupy you mind is concerning.

 

[ram29jackson]

The fact that these thoughts occupy you mind is concerning.

its also the most intelligent thing you've read all day...at least on this site

 

[Scooby-Doo]

its also the most intelligent thing you've read all day...at least on this site

God you need medication.

As I asked earlier, if the NFL wants control of fixing outcomes, then why would the implement instant replay? Isn't that counterproductive toward their cause?

 

[WizardHawk]

LOL this may be extreme to you but I'll put it out there.
the media sources/networks and NFL are in bed with each other for billions of dollars=fact.

you don't think its possible for them to feed percentages to people about odds and percentages and see which way the fan support and betting trends go to either feed off it or manipulate it as they see fit ?

I don't believe the NFL manipulates the refs to control the outcome of games. No sir I do not. I do not believe that because I see no clear and convincing reason to believe it. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I also wouldn't believe in little gray visitors just because you told me you got an anal probe by one.

so you are then saying I know just as much about football as you do.
but I believe in premeditated choice and you believe in premeditated chance.

Chance isn't and cannot be predetermined. What the hell are you smoking?

And what does knowledge of football overall have to do with crazy and outlandish conspiracy theories?

so you agree with that because you know so much about football or you agree with that because you were told that ? Make up your mind. You know more about football than me but we are saying the same thing?

I know I have no evidence from a credible source that the refs are the pawns of the league and actively manipulate games.

It has nothing to do with football knowledge. It is about believing everything you read without thinking it clearly through. The author of your way too long diatribe on it has no credibility or it would be a huge national story. It isn't because he doesn't and that's that.

make up your mind. So if it happens I was just lucky but you were football knowledgeable?

No, you are making a claim that is far more likely to be true than not. It will not undo the thought that you are just a delusional nut job.