Is the NFL manipulating games for profit?

[Wazmankg]

And really, NFL owners are dying off at an alarming rate.

- Bud Adams October 2013
- Al Davis October 2011

And it's not the owners of the good teams that are biting it. I believe there is a conspiracy at play. Notice the deaths are getting closer together. Much like you would see from a serial killer who is gaining confidence in his ability to get away with each murder.

It clearly goes much deeper than we suspected.

 

[ram29jackson]

its happened in front of your face countless times watching so many football games,especially the primetime games.
You see something happen on the field, you know what you saw, its too obvious. Every replay angle confirms it, your eyes didn't lie to you. But the ref does it,he makes a call that is completely opposite of what you know you saw. You know he's wrong. And the guys in the booth don't pursue it. They go right along with some stupid scripted explanation or ignore it entirely because the league mandates they do so. And then during or after the game comes some stupid pseudo intellectual, quasi reasoning you simply accept as truth. The league might give a feeble " the ref made a mistake and we are sorry it happened" bullshit but nothing is retroactive or corrected. Its over, the league bent the game how it wanted.
And even though you know what you saw, you still say the same crap. "Its a tough game,you cant win them all, humans make mistakes,on any given Sunday anyone can win."

after you say those stupid things to yourself for the 20th time you need to wake up and realize its a bunch of bull.

 

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its happened in front of your face countless times watching so many football games,especially the primetime games.
You see something happen on the field, you know what you saw, its too obvious. Every replay angle confirms it, your eyes didn't lie to you. But the ref does it,he makes a call that is completely opposite of what you know you saw. You know he's wrong. And the guys in the booth don't pursue it. They go right along with some stupid scripted explanation or ignore it entirely because the league mandates they do so. And then during or after the game comes some stupid pseudo intellectual, quasi reasoning you simply accept as truth. The league might give a feeble " the ref made a mistake and we are sorry it happened" bullshit but nothing is retroactive or corrected. Its over, the league bent the game how it wanted.
And even though you know what you saw, you still say the same crap. "Its a tough game,you cant win them all, humans make mistakes,on any given Sunday anyone can win."

after you say those stupid things to yourself for the 20th time you need to wake up and realize its a bunch of bull.

Quickest whistle I ever saw in my life. And really... the ball popped out of Bradshaw's hands before the ref blew the whistle.

Turnover there would have given San Fran the ball inside the 20 yard-line, with less than 2:20 remaining in the game.

By the refs reactions, it pretty much looked like they went out of their way to ensure New York didn't lose the game there. Which really isn't surprising considering the media market size of NY vs San Fran.

With that said, I don't truly believe the refs fixed the game with any profitability in mind. I think they just botched the call.

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

yes, players are allowed to play, they are great athletes.No refs are on the take. They are simply carrying out the directions by the league and commissioner. And again, there is nothing dishonest about it. The entertainment business is carrying out what ever storyline gains the most profit and/or appeases a particular owner at a particular time.

I don't believe that ... I believe refs can become corrupt individually, but I don't believe the league decides the outcome ... The NFL doesn't need to do that in order to make tons of money...

 

[ram29jackson]

With that said, I don't truly believe the refs fixed the game with any profitability in mind. I think they just botched the call.

LOL that's my point. How many times are you going to tell yourself that before you realize its bull.

 

[MRVegas]

Interesting read for sure. I have zero doubts of past doings by the NFL to fix games. A couple things on the article that are wrong however. Steve Wynn has no plans to build a casino in Foxboro Massachusetts - considered it at one time but it is not happening, that is something I know for fact.


The other thing also involves the Patriots and spygate. Matt Walsh was not immediately fired after it, he had not been employed for years by Patriots by the time spygate happened. Investigations after the fact is when his name turned up an ex employee who claimed to still have tapes similar to what Goodel destroyed. Those tapes ended up being all shown to the public and contained exactly what Goodel described the other tapes had contained. So either Goodel was very lucky that the Walsh tapes were exactly has he described in his "lie" or he was teling the truth about what was on those tapes.


Most of the other stuff happened before my time so I cant comment.

 

[SteveDallas]

And really, NFL owners are dying off at an alarming rate.

- Bud Adams October 2013
- Al Davis October 2011

And it's not the owners of the good teams that are biting it. I believe there is a conspiracy at play. Notice the deaths are getting closer together. Much like you would see from a serial killer who is gaining confidence in his ability to get away with each murder.

So my question is........If Goodell is having owners wacked, when is he going to get around to Jerry Jones? If he is killing off loser owners how do you explain Jeff Lurie? And if it's all true do you really want Congress involved.

 

[WizardHawk]

What a load of tinfoil hat wearing bullshit.

I'm a fan of a team that got jobbed in a super bowl. I'm sure everyone remembers the '05 Steelers/Seahawks game. Pretty much everyone in the country outside of Penn knows they got jobbed. The question is was it bad mistakes by the refs, or created on purpose for some ulterior motive(Such as Bettis going out with a ring)? We know what Ram believes, but don't count me among them.

 

[ram29jackson]

What a load of tinfoil hat wearing bullshit.

I'm a fan of a team that got jobbed in a super bowl. I'm sure everyone remembers the '05 Steelers/Seahawks game. Pretty much everyone in the country outside of Penn knows they got jobbed. The question is was it bad mistakes by the refs, or created on purpose for some ulterior motive(Such as Bettis going out with a ring)? We know what Ram believes, but don't count me among them.

read again....


its happened in front of your face countless times watching so many football games,especially the primetime games.
You see something happen on the field, you know what you saw, its too obvious. Every replay angle confirms it, your eyes didn't lie to you. But the ref does it,he makes a call that is completely opposite of what you know you saw. You know he's wrong. And the guys in the booth don't pursue it. They go right along with some stupid scripted explanation or ignore it entirely because the league mandates they do so. And then during or after the game comes some stupid pseudo intellectual, quasi reasoning you simply accept as truth. The league might give a feeble " the ref made a mistake and we are sorry it happened" bullshit but nothing is retroactive or corrected. Its over, the league bent the game how it wanted.
And even though you know what you saw, you still say the same crap. "Its a tough game,you cant win them all, humans make mistakes,on any given Sunday anyone can win."

after you say those stupid things to yourself for the 20th time you need to wake up and realize its a bunch of bull.


your team got jobbed but you still want to believe its human error on the refs part, against a team with an incredibly green QB.....

 

[gandydancer]

So my question is........If Goodell is having owners wacked, when is he going to get around to Jerry Jones? If he is killing off loser owners how do you explain Jeff Lurie? And if it's all true do you really want Congress involved.

I know old man Ford has passed.... anyway Goodell can take out the rest of the family?

 

[WizardHawk]

read again....


its happened in front of your face countless times watching so many football games,especially the primetime games.
You see something happen on the field, you know what you saw, its too obvious. Every replay angle confirms it, your eyes didn't lie to you. But the ref does it,he makes a call that is completely opposite of what you know you saw. You know he's wrong. And the guys in the booth don't pursue it. They go right along with some stupid scripted explanation or ignore it entirely because the league mandates they do so. And then during or after the game comes some stupid pseudo intellectual, quasi reasoning you simply accept as truth. The league might give a feeble " the ref made a mistake and we are sorry it happened" bullshit but nothing is retroactive or corrected. Its over, the league bent the game how it wanted.
And even though you know what you saw, you still say the same crap. "Its a tough game,you cant win them all, humans make mistakes,on any given Sunday anyone can win."

after you say those stupid things to yourself for the 20th time you need to wake up and realize its a bunch of bull.


your team got jobbed but you still want to believe its human error on the refs part, against a team with an incredibly green QB.....

Read it again would presume I read it to begin with. I have no interest in wasting an hour reading such drivel. I don't do conspiracy theories.

There is simply no way anyone would be able to get away with it on such a grand scale for so long. There are legit media just chomping at the bit to get such a huge career building/defining story. And you can't tell me that so many people would have to be involved and yet none have ended up disgruntled or guilt ridden to the point where they spilled the beans afterward.

I have no need to read it to already know I won't agree with it.

Honestly it just makes me wonder about your reasoning skills even more than I already had.

 

[SteveDallas]

Check back after he takes out Dan Snyder, I think Choirboy wants him gone next.

 

[Broncos6482]

2008 pitt Steelers had the game won either way but they bothered to take back a score that didn't matter after practically leaving the field, when film showed blatantly there was no forward lateral.
they still rule there was a forward lateral and maintain the spread. That's not fishy or obvious to you ?

I'd love to see video of this play.

 

[ram29jackson]

Read it again would presume I read it to begin with. I have no interest in wasting an hour reading such drivel. I don't do conspiracy theories.

There is simply no way anyone would be able to get away with it on such a grand scale for so long. There are legit media just chomping at the bit to get such a huge career building/defining story. And you can't tell me that so many people would have to be involved and yet none have ended up disgruntled or guilt ridden to the point where they spilled the beans afterward.

I have no need to read it to already know I won't agree with it.

Honestly it just makes me wonder about your reasoning skills even more than I already had.

why are you so afraid of the possibility ? it only takes the front office and the officials. It doesn't take knowledge by anyone else. the fact is the media outlets involved with the NFL -basically everyone- provide millions and billions for each other. if you are the reporter that's to rat it out youll never work again because everyone is in bed with everyone else.

I am the only one with reasoning skills because I don't lie to myself that its pure chance every time an official makes a blatantly bad call.

 

[WizardHawk]

I'm afraid? lol. Of what exactly?

So every bad call in baseball over the last 100 years was a fix and not just umps sucking? No, of course not. It can't be for them because they don't have 'entertainment' listed on their charter right?

Bad calls are the norm in EVERY sport. Ever watched a college football game? See any of the games with scab refs a couple of years back? There have been bad calls that cost teams games as long as there has been football, and at every level of play.

Again, there is zero chance you involve refs in a scheme and not have any come forward or have any of it exposed. Z E R O.

 

[nebearsfan70]

I'm afraid? lol. Of what exactly?

So every bad call in baseball over the last 100 years was a fix and not just umps sucking? No, of course not. It can't be for them because they don't have 'entertainment' listed on their charter right?

Bad calls are the norm in EVERY sport. Ever watched a college football game? See any of the games with scab refs a couple of years back? There have been bad calls that cost teams games as long as there has been football, and at every level of play.

Again, there is zero chance you involve refs in a scheme and not have any come forward or have any of it exposed. Z E R O.

It sounds like a Bigfoot thing.

 

[ram29jackson]

I'm afraid? lol. Of what exactly?

So every bad call in baseball over the last 100 years was a fix and not just umps sucking? No, of course not. It can't be for them because they don't have 'entertainment' listed on their charter right?

Bad calls are the norm in EVERY sport. Ever watched a college football game? See any of the games with scab refs a couple of years back? There have been bad calls that cost teams games as long as there has been football, and at every level of play.

Again, there is zero chance you involve refs in a scheme and not have any come forward or have any of it exposed. Z E R O.

your baseball joke has nothing to do with the topic. Bad calls are the norm ? LOL you make excuses for being lied to ? really? so because there are bad calls there have never been deliberately bad calls to go with them ?

we aren't talking about scab refs in college. We are specifically talking about the NFL organization.

the difference between you and I is I don't lie to myself when a call is blatantly obvious.

 

[gandydancer]

why are you so afraid of the possibility

 

[ram29jackson]

I'd love to see video of this play.

 

[Brees#1]

Exactly. He uses a ton of circumstantial evidence and leaps in logic. He makes a big deal about Tim Tebow in 2011 and how he was a huge moneymaker for the league, so the league fixed it so that the Broncos would make the playoffs and beat the Steelers. Ok, if that's the case, why stop there? Why not beat the Patriots the next week, and then knock off the Ravens, too. Can you imagine the hype if Tebow had made it to the Super Bowl? Talk about a money maker for the NFL!

Ok, maybe that's too farfetched. If the 2011 Broncos had made the Super Bowl, everyone would have known the fix was in. So why not at least have them lose a competitive game? How does the NFL profit from the Broncos getting their doors blown off? And if Tebow is such a money maker, why hasn't the NFL made sure he's starting for some team? He can make the league a bunch of money and he's completely out of the league!

He also talked about the "coincidence" of the Patriots run to the Super after 9/11. I don't understand what 9/11 has to do with the Patriots. If the NFL was fixing things after 9/11, shouldn't it have been the Giants and the Jets in the Super Bowl? Or maybe the Jets and the Redskins? You know, the cities that were actually attacked.

I've seen too many unbelievable athletic feats turn games to believe that there could be a fix. How could the NFL fix David Tyree's helmet catch? Or Demaryius Thomas's stiff arm and run for an 80 touchdown? Or Dwight Clark going high for The Catch? Or the Immaculate Reception. Etc, etc.

Sometimes, underdogs win because they put together their best game ever. Or the favorite doesn't put in the necessary work because they don't think they need to. Or the underdog was underrated and the favorite wasn't as good as people thought. It just happens. It's not fixed.

Its NFL luck, some teams just have it better than others when they try hard and don't complain when the going gets tough. Pats(recently), Atlanta, Chicago are teams that have the latter reputation. Tebow may have got blown out because he was not meant to win a sb in Peyton's place so he had to lose somewhere and better NE than Baltimore(Ray Lewis) however those kinds of games cannot be fixed Tebow was out in the cold on another team's field(no one is comfortable in colder games the home teams will play better because of their fans and if the opponent is in a different timezone and lets face it each timezone has different personalities). Also its more fitting to see Brady lose a sb to Eli again as most people were rooting against NE not the case if that were Tebow. However, as I said before, fate is predetermined, and usually the teams that have the most heart and have been close to a sb so many times(in other words won playoff games or was competitive in them, a blowout does not count) come out on top over the teams that don't unless its something as metioned above. The teams, also, with likability and usually among QB, are the ones who end up winning. In recent years the NFL has been trying to vilify the saints with some success but still people root for them because of Brees. Rodgers and packers are heralded as the good guys as well because Cutler has shown to be anything but civil. It does appear though that the pats may be back on the plus side again but thats because Brady is back as the focal point(needing to get 4 or 5 rings) and not BB and the pats past cheating scandal.