POLL Is Brady the GOAT with a SB win this year?

[NEPatsfan]

Still responding like a petulant child I see. I guess this means you can't actually list an example of Brady's or the Patriots cheating. You know, discuss like a grown up.

 

[CowboyB]

Still responding like a petulant child I see. I guess this means you can't actually list an example of Brady's or the Patriots cheating. You know, discuss like a grown up.

 

[NEPatsfan]

And the petulant child posts again.

 

[CowboyB]

And the petulant child posts again.

 

[sonnyblack65]

Going only by the guys I've seen, and that includes the end of Unitas' career.

Joe Montana.

I have watched all three and I have Brady,Montana and Unitas, in that order. Montana stats are just ok but his 4-0 in SB's with no int has him so high for me, His teams were much better too with all the HOFer's

 

[NEPatsfan]

"The Best Who Ever Lived"

Fun stat examples halfway down in the article.

Here Comes Tom Brady, the Best Who Ever Lived

Also from the article,

He's no slouch in the regular season, either. After 14 years as a starting quarterback, Brady is easily the winningest quarterback of all time and ranks in the Top 5 of every single major individual stat. He'll likely end his career in the top 3 in every major measure of individual accomplishment, maybe even higher depending on how long he plays.

 

[NEPatsfan]

You keep mentioning debating like a grown up. I don't think it means what you think it means.

 

[soxfan1468927]

If you are looking at the FULL body of work you have to look at the fact that Brady was a game manager in his 1st three Super Bowls and that he has a career tainted by controversy and cheating.

He threw for 350 yards in his 2nd Super Bowl when his defense gave up 29 points. He faced the 1st and 2nd ranked pass defenses in the NFL in his 3rd Super Bowl and was excellent.

2004 AFC Championship, he threw a 60 yard TD pass, a 70 yard TD drive that he threw for 68 of those yards, and then by the 2nd half they went to the run since they had built a 24-3 lead.

Super Bowl 39: Their first two TD drives, Brady threw 6/7 times on the first one and 7/9 times on the 2nd one. And didn't make a mistake against a very good pass defense. Then they had a TD lead in the 4th so they went to the run.

To you, all those games might be "game managing" but so many QBs fail in those situations. Credit Brady for not failing.

And let's not get sidetracked with the cheating/controversy stuff. We're having a respectful convo.

 

[Money]

I have watched all three and I have Brady,Montana and Unitas, in that order. Montana stats are just ok but his 4-0 in SB's with no int has him so high for me, His teams were much better too with all the HOFer's

These are my top 3 as well. Anyone can have those 3 in any order they like and it wouldn't inspire an argument from me.

 

[Ricky Roma]

I have watched all three and I have Brady,Montana and Unitas, in that order. Montana stats are just ok but his 4-0 in SB's with no int has him so high for me, His teams were much better too with all the HOFer's

Yes...Montana's stats are just 'ok'......for todays pinball fantasy numbers.

 

[NEPatsfan]

He threw for 350 yards in his 2nd Super Bowl when his defense gave up 29 points. He faced the 1st and 2nd ranked pass defenses in the NFL in his 3rd Super Bowl and was excellent.

2004 AFC Championship, he threw a 60 yard TD pass, a 70 yard TD drive that he threw for 68 of those yards, and then by the 2nd half they went to the run since they had built a 24-3 lead.

Super Bowl 39: Their first two TD drives, Brady threw 6/7 times on the first one and 7/9 times on the 2nd one. And didn't make a mistake against a very good pass defense. Then they had a TD lead in the 4th so they went to the run.

To you, all those games might be "game managing" but so many QBs fail in those situations. Credit Brady for not failing.

And let's not get sidetracked with the cheating/controversy stuff. We're having a respectful convo.

You haven't interacted with him much, nor talk to other posters who have I'm guessing. His default position when losing a debate or having flaws in his reasoning called out, it to act like a petulant child who has had his/her favorite toy taken away.

 

[CowboyB]

He threw for 350 yards in his 2nd Super Bowl when his defense gave up 29 points. He faced the 1st and 2nd ranked pass defenses in the NFL in his 3rd Super Bowl and was excellent.

2004 AFC Championship, he threw a 60 yard TD pass, a 70 yard TD drive that he threw for 68 of those yards, and then by the 2nd half they went to the run since they had built a 24-3 lead.

Super Bowl 39: Their first two TD drives, Brady threw 6/7 times on the first one and 7/9 times on the 2nd one. And didn't make a mistake against a very good pass defense. Then they had a TD lead in the 4th so they went to the run.

To you, all those games might be "game managing" but so many QBs fail in those situations. Credit Brady for not failing.

And let's not get sidetracked with the cheating/controversy stuff. We're having a respectful convo.

He deserves plenty of credit for not failing in those situations as I agree there are plenty of very good QBs who would. Again, when it comes to comparing the actual individual player I would rather have a guy like Aaron Rodgers & Joe Montana who aren't as pocket dependent. I would also rather have guys with strong arms. Brady is certainly one of the greatest but if I have 1 game to win he is probably the 3rd or 4th guy I am picking.

To disregard the cheating is bullshit. We HAVE to take on the FULL resume...not just the good stuff you like.

 

[NEPatsfan]

These are my top 3 as well. Anyone can have those 3 in any order they like and it wouldn't inspire an argument from me.

Fair enough, but at what point do you concede Brady is the GOAT? 1 more SB MVP? 2 More? A 5000 yard season? What is the tipping point. Unless I'm misunderstanding you and you already have him at 1 on that list of 3.

 

[Money]

Yes...Montana's stats are just 'ok'......for todays pinball fantasy numbers.

Never threw for over 4,000 yards in a season. Flacco just threw for 4300 yards and was pretty much horrendous all year. It that isn't a reflection on today's game, I don't know what is.

 

[NEPatsfan]

He deserves plenty of credit for not failing in those situations as I agree there are plenty of very good QBs who would. Again, when it comes to comparing the actual individual player I would rather have a guy like Aaron Rodgers & Joe Montana who aren't as pocket dependent. I would also rather have guys with strong arms. Brady is certainly one of the greatest but if I have 1 game to win he is probably the 3rd or 4th guy I am picking.

To disregard the cheating is bullshit. We HAVE to take on the FULL resume...not just the good stuff you like.

Can you list an example of this?

 

[CowboyB]

You keep mentioning debating like a grown up. I don't think it means what you think it means.

What part of I do not have any interest in discussing it with you because you are a chickenshit pea brained Tom Brady cock sucker who is incapable to put aside your obsession with Brady and the Cheatriots and discuss facts like a grown up man, do you not understand?

 

[CowboyB]

Can you list an example of this?

What part of I do not have any interest in discussing it with you because you are a chickenshit pea brained Tom Brady cock sucker who is incapable to put aside your obsession with Brady and the Cheatriots and discuss facts like a grown up man, do you not understand?

 

[NEPatsfan]

What part of I do not have any interest in discussing it with you because you are a chickenshit pea brained Tom Brady cock sucker who is incapable to put aside your obsession with Brady and the Cheatriots and discuss facts like a grown up man, do you not understand?

So you don't have an example?

 

[CowboyB]

So you don't have an example?

What part of I do not have any interest in discussing it with you because you are a chickenshit pea brained Tom Brady cock sucker who is incapable to put aside your obsession with Brady and the Cheatriots and discuss facts like a grown up man, do you not understand?

 

[sonnyblack65]

Yes...Montana's stats are just 'ok'......for todays pinball fantasy numbers.

You want to discredit SB wins, if Montana didn't win 4 do you really think he would be in the convo over say a Unitas, Marino, Elway etc No