Is Baker Mayfield a Bust?

[HaroldSeattle]

Has anyone checked on @HaroldSeattle in the last 2 hours.

I'm waiting to hear what kind of pick the Browns are offering to sending to the Seahawks to make this happen.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I'm waiting to hear what kind of pick the Browns are offering to sending to the Seahawks to make this happen.

Keep your chin up ole boy.

It could be worse. Seattle could be looking at Jacobi Brissett as their starter for potentially the next 12-18 months.

 

[Shanemansj13]

I'm waiting to hear what kind of pick the Browns are offering to sending to the Seahawks to make this happen.

Did you wake up from your nightmare?

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Did you wake up from your nightmare?

I don't take these click bait articles seriously and if some how Mayfield ends up a Seahawk it won't be that big a deal. Nothing like a Brown fan sweating out the Watson situation.

 

[wilwhite]

Everyone knows Mayfield is better than Brissett.
the problem with your argument is. You keep wanting to argue what makes the most sense on paper. Not what the reality is in the NFL. With the divide between the front office & Mayfield. He wont be playing for the Browns this year. This is the way it is going to be.

It doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem. If the front office wanted to make things right with Baker they probably could, but it would be unpleasant.

And they should. Getting rid of a middling QB on a contending team and rolling instead with a guy who should only be a backup is obviously malpractice. If you need to mend a freaking fence, mend it.

I don't think they will. This front office has completely butchered the QB situation for no reason at all so it was foolish to think they'd be sensible now. They could have had the hard conversation with Mayfield up front and he'd have eventually played hard for them in this contract year as he gets ready to move on. Instead they avoided the conversation and bitched about him as if they could afford to burn him.

Mayfield may be whining about his bruised ego, but a lot of guys at this level have tender egos. Front office can't afford to have tender egos, too.

I got sucked into the idea that the Browns will work it out because it's so blindingly obvious that they should. But I have serious doubts.

Somebody's going to get a decent but whiny QB for a pretty good deal, and the Browns will have squandered an asset.

 

[jarntt]

It doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem. If the front office wanted to make things right with Baker they probably could, but it would be unpleasant.

And they should. Getting rid of a middling QB on a contending team and rolling instead with a guy who should only be a backup is obviously malpractice. If you need to mend a freaking fence, mend it.

I don't think they will. This front office has completely butchered the QB situation for no reason at all so it was foolish to think they'd be sensible now. They could have had the hard conversation with Mayfield up front and he'd have eventually played hard for them in this contract year as he gets ready to move on. Instead they avoided the conversation and bitched about him as if they could afford to burn him.

Mayfield may be whining about his bruised ego, but a lot of guys at this level have tender egos. Front office can't afford to have tender egos, too.

I got sucked into the idea that the Browns will work it out because it's so blindingly obvious that they should. But I have serious doubts.

Somebody's going to get a decent but whiny QB for a pretty good deal, and the Browns will have squandered an asset.

What can the Browns do to mend the fences? They can't give him more money and they can't extend him because they already have Watson. The guy is insecure and immature and I don't know what they can do to change that. He also just isn't very good so IMO they should follow through with unloading him even if Watson is out the year. I also disagree there is such of a difference between Baker and Brissett. I think the Browns are better off playing Brissett than Baker this year after everything that has happened and could you imagine him sulking on the sideline on tv every week if he stays? It will be worse than when the lady didn't show up for the book club...

 

[Manster7588]

I don't take these click bait articles seriously and if some how Mayfield ends up a Seahawk it won't be that big a deal. Nothing like a Brown fan sweating out the Watson situation.

If it cost you a 5th and 6M, I'd say thats GREAT for Seattle. Even a 4th and 8 or 9M would be good to see if Mayfield is worth a LTD.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

What can the Browns do to mend the fences? They can't give him more money and they can't extend him because they already have Watson. The guy is insecure and immature and I don't know what they can do to change that. He also just isn't very good so IMO they should follow through with unloading him even if Watson is out the year. I also disagree there is such of a difference between Baker and Brissett. I think the Browns are better off playing Brissett than Baker this year after everything that has happened and could you imagine him sulking on the sideline on tv every week if he stays? It will be worse than when the lady didn't show up for the book club...

Agree with everything you're saying. Just hunkering down before Typhoon dt blows in.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

It doesn't seem like an insurmountable problem. If the front office wanted to make things right with Baker they probably could, but it would be unpleasant.

And they should. Getting rid of a middling QB on a contending team and rolling instead with a guy who should only be a backup is obviously malpractice. If you need to mend a freaking fence, mend it.

I don't think they will. This front office has completely butchered the QB situation for no reason at all so it was foolish to think they'd be sensible now. They could have had the hard conversation with Mayfield up front and he'd have eventually played hard for them in this contract year as he gets ready to move on. Instead they avoided the conversation and bitched about him as if they could afford to burn him.

Mayfield may be whining about his bruised ego, but a lot of guys at this level have tender egos. Front office can't afford to have tender egos, too.

I got sucked into the idea that the Browns will work it out because it's so blindingly obvious that they should. But I have serious doubts.

Somebody's going to get a decent but whiny QB for a pretty good deal, and the Browns will have squandered an asset.

this is what we tried to explain to "the" crazy Browns fan.
Yes on paper it makes sense to smooth the road, kiss & make up or whatever.
Buit realistically it was never gonna happen.
When front offices get emotional, but things that might be said. They often fuck themselves & get rid of good players or even coaches.
I remember SD doing this. Realistically they should have gotten rid of their GM, but instead they fucked their team.
Maybe the Browns front office couldnt get used to the feeling of success & hope.

 

[wilwhite]

What can the Browns do to mend the fences? They can't give him more money and they can't extend him because they already have Watson. The guy is insecure and immature and I don't know what they can do to change that. He also just isn't very good so IMO they should follow through with unloading him even if Watson is out the year. I also disagree there is such of a difference between Baker and Brissett. I think the Browns are better off playing Brissett than Baker this year after everything that has happened and could you imagine him sulking on the sideline on tv every week if he stays? It will be worse than when the lady didn't show up for the book club...

It's the FO's job to make it a better situation for Mayfield.

Brissett's career net yards per attempt is 5.39 v. Mayfield's 6.43. Brissett isn't much worse than 2021 Baker, though, so it comes down to whether you think he was really hurt and how much it affected him, or if that was Baker's new baseline.

There's also something to be said for writing the season off, but that seems pretty unfair to the rest of the team, which is otherwise pretty solid.

 

[wilwhite]

If Baker starts every game for somebody, I predict 4K+ yards and 30+ TDs this year.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

If Baker starts every game for somebody, I predict 4K+ yards and 30+ TDs this year.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

If Baker starts every game for somebody, I predict 4K+ yards and 30+ TDs this year.

I'll take the under.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Sorry but a couple playoff apperances does not simply make them less Brownied things.

You know the history. Almost 2 decades without a playoff appearance.
A season with 0 wins.
Lost their franchise for 3 years.


Look I'm not a Brownie basher. I give most of you fans big credit for standing behind your team. I actually pull for teams like them, Detroit and Buffalo if my Pats are eliminated or not playing them. Can't root too much for the Bills any longer, they've gotten to good. But would pull for them if they rep the AFC in the SB.

No bs good luck with your season. You're going to need it with all the drama and potential drama.

Sorry but a couple playoff apperances does not simply make them less Brownied things.

You know the history. Almost 2 decades without a playoff appearance.
A season with 0 wins.
Lost their franchise for 3 years.


Look I'm not a Brownie basher. I give most of you fans big credit for standing behind your team. I actually pull for teams like them, Detroit and Buffalo if my Pats are eliminated or not playing them. Can't root too much for the Bills any longer, they've gotten to good. But would pull for them if they rep the AFC in the SB.

No bs good luck with your season. You're going to need it with all the drama and potential drama.

You said 60 years. As I corrected you they made the AFC championship 3 out of 4 years in the late 80s.

It's not a lot but it's accurate. Unlike your previous statement.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Here is what I said exactly. I never mentioned anything about championships until it was brought up.

Do I have proof that I can show you that people have been saying the Browns have brownied something else for 60 years? No I don't. But we know they have. On and off since they joined the merger they've brownied one thing or another. Prior to that they were respectable. Did they have a couple decent seasons? Sure even a blind squirrel...

Don't start going dt88 on us. It is what it is. Wear it as a badge of honor that you still support them.
There not near as many Brown fans who can say that since Haslan bought the team. Again my hats off to those die hards.

In the bizzare world of dtgold-ville, he'd have you believe this is all a calculated move by the FO.

They didn't do anything wrong. If they made other decisions the coward non answer hater group would just say the Brownies brownied something else. Not sure why a statement like that would bother him. People have been saying that for 60 years.

Geeze, you think he'd be used to it.

 

[PDay8810]

If Baker starts every game for somebody, I predict 4K+ yards and 30+ TDs this year.

Only if he runs through the Big 12 again

 

[jarntt]

If Baker starts every game for somebody, I predict 4K+ yards and 30+ TDs this year.

Who knows, but I would be shocked if he did that and I'm guessing if any team that needed a good QB thought he'd come close to that, his $19M salary wouldn't be a deterrent.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I don't take these click bait articles seriously and if some how Mayfield ends up a Seahawk it won't be that big a deal. Nothing like a Brown fan sweating out the Watson situation.

I actually like Baker. I mean, he's got talent. It's also fair to point out that in his time there, Cleveland has been the poster child for instability and mismanagement from the top on down - and not to mention the amount of staff turnover. He was off to a pretty solid start last year, before the injury (IIRC). He's had the flashes, but I think at least some of his inconsistency mirrors the inconsistency that was heaped around him.

I think landing on a team with some stability around him on offense, and an organization that has some stability, especially in the coaching ranks, could bring out a more consistent product.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

I actually like Baker. I mean, he's got talent. It's also fair to point out that in his time there, Cleveland has been the poster child for instability and mismanagement from the top on down - and not to mention the amount of staff turnover. He was off to a pretty solid start last year, before the injury (IIRC). He's had the flashes, but I think at least some of his inconsistency mirrors the inconsistency that was heaped around him.

I think landing on a team with some stability around him on offense, and an organization that has some stability, especially in the coaching ranks, could bring out a more consistent product.

Maybe but again a new offense system, new coaching staff, new teammates. He had times he's played well, but more often he's played badly. I'm not liking his chances as a legit starter.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Maybe but again a new offense system, new coaching staff, new teammates. He had times he's played well, but more often he's played badly. I'm not liking his chances as a legit starter.

I guess a bonus would be he's used to having a new offense, or coaching staff, nearly every other year while being in Cleveland...LOL

On a more serious note, though, I think it's fair to argue that Cleveland has not been the best place for QB's in a long, long time - and looking at the instability - it's fair to at least acknowledge that Baker has shown flashes and maybe with a more consistent staff/scheme around him he can tap into being a more consistent QB. Will he round into that big time pick everyone thought he'd be? Probably not, but I think he can been good enough.