Indiana wins the Internet with their Lebron chant.....

[Wamu]

See below come get your check

And I already explained why I listed those teams from the 80's. After all they are teams MJ faced. Sorry if facts bother you so much. I'll remember that in the future.

 

[flyerhawk]

All you said was MJ never played against a team that had All Stars or HOF caliber players. Now if you only meant MJ's career in the 90's that's a different story. But to say he never faced a team w/ All Stars & HOFers is incorrect.

Of course he played against those teams given he was drafted in 83, mostly when his team was either bad or a playoff doormat.

 

[flyerhawk]

And I already explained why I listed those teams from the 80's. After all they are teams MJ faced. Sorry if facts bother you so much. I'll remember that in the future.

You are definitely being pedantic here. Look at post #4 to understand the context of this discussion.

 

[shopson67]

The Celtics had Bird, McHale, Parish & Dennis Johnson. The Lakers had Magic, KAJ & James Worthy. The Pistons had Isiah Thomas, Joe Dumars & Dennis Rodman. The 76ers had Dr. J., Moses Malone & Mo Cheeks.

How many of those guys were active during Jordan's championship run, or even half of it?

Jabbar and Dennis were retired
Magic retired after Jordan's first one in '91 (the first time, due to HIV)
Bird was oft injured and retired the season of Jordan's second
McHale hadn't been a regular starter since 88/89 and retired in 92/93
Moses last played with the Sixers in 85/86
Dr. J retired in 87
Mo last played with the Sixers in 88/89
Isiah retired in 93/94
Rodman's last season with the Pistons was 92/93

 

[shopson67]

Very true. But no time table in the comment I originally responded to was given for teams MJ played against. That's why I mentioned those teams from the 80's.

And? If he didn't win against them, how does that support your argument?

 

[Wamu]

How many of those guys were active during Jordan's championship run, or even half of it?

Jabbar and Dennis were retired
Magic retired after Jordan's first one in '91 (the first time, due to HIV)
Bird was oft injured and retired the season of Jordan's second
McHale hadn't been a regular starter since 88/89 and retired in 92/93
Moses last played with the Sixers in 85/86
Dr. J retired in 87
Mo last played with the Sixers in 88/89
Isiah retired in 93/94
Rodman's last season with the Pistons was 92/93

It wasn't specified what part of MJ's career flyhawk was talking about. Go back & read comment # 5 & you'll understand why I said what I said. Also I really only read that comment & responded to it.

 

[flyerhawk]

It wasn't specified what part of MJ's career flyhawk was talking about. Go back & read comment # 5 & you'll understand why I said what I said.

Ahem.....

Even Jordan didn't win titles until the Bulls got some top talent as well as useful role players around him....

And Jordan never had to play against a team with 4 All-Stars and 2-3 Hall of Famers.

 

[Wamu]

Ahem.....

Like I said in comment # 26 (pay attention to the part of that comment you left out)- Also I really only read that comment & responded to it

 

[flyerhawk]

Like I said in comment # 26 (pay attention to the part of that comment you left out)- Also I really only read that comment & responded to it

So you ignored the comment I quoted and just pretended I made my comment out of the blue?

 

[ericd7633]

Durant has been on GSW for two years. Lebron has been in the league for 15 or 16 years.

I love all the excuses for Lebron. Utah Jazz had two HOF’ers (Stockton and Malone), Lakers had 3 HOF’ers (Magic, Kareem, Worthy), Boston had multiple HOF’ers (Bird, McHale, Parish)

The only difference in the league from 20 years ago to today — the elite players back then wanted to beat the others considered the best and jumping from team to team didn’t happen. Today’s NBA — the best players demand trades and team up with other elite players to try and build superteams. Only problem is — GSW built their team thru the draft, so they had room to bring on Durant too.

Other difference — there is no such thing as physical play today. You breathe on a player and you get whistled for a foul and players flop around like it is soccer, whether they are fouled or not. A team like the Pistons 20 or so years ago, who dominated for a few years wouldn’t have a team by the 2nd half in today’s NBA. They punished teams.

You're really underscoring how incredibly fortunate the Warriors were with landing Durant. I wouldn't say they got fortunate Steph had injury issues, but they were fortunate that because of that he played on a contract that was half of what he would have played for. And because of that, along with the spike in the salary cap, it made room to land Durant. Essentially everyone on that team got paid before Steph, which is a rare occurrence.

 

[Iggloo]

And Jordan never had to play against a team with 4 All-Stars and 2-3 Hall of Famers.

Other than the Bad Boy Pistons and Bird-era Celtics?

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

While literally holding a 2 hour special to give his hometown the middle finger on ESPN.

This word is terribly overused these days, including here. No reason for its inclusion.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

His teams literally have a losing record in the NBA finals

Why?

 

[wazzu31]

How many of those guys were active during Jordan's championship run, or even half of it?

Jabbar and Dennis were retired
Magic retired after Jordan's first one in '91 (the first time, due to HIV)
Bird was oft injured and retired the season of Jordan's second
McHale hadn't been a regular starter since 88/89 and retired in 92/93
Moses last played with the Sixers in 85/86
Dr. J retired in 87
Mo last played with the Sixers in 88/89
Isiah retired in 93/94
Rodman's last season with the Pistons was 92/93

So it was essentially Jordan against other top guys. The only reason anyone knows who Pippen is was because he played along side Jordan. He is the most over rated athlete is history.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

Not a smart move considering he still lives in BATH, OH in the offseason.

Yeah. Us Bath residents are going to tar and feather him. We're really upset. . .

 

[msgkings322]

And I already explained why I listed those teams from the 80's. After all they are teams MJ faced. Sorry if facts bother you so much. I'll remember that in the future.

Do you really not know what pedantic means?

 

[flyerhawk]

Other than the Bad Boy Pistons and Bird-era Celtics?

How times did the Bulls beat the Bird-era Celtics in the playoffs?

 

[Iggloo]

If your point is that MJ never could beat teams with multiple all stars, that's fair. But you said he never had to play against them. He lost to the Celtics and Pistons in the east before breaking through as he got a better team around him. Those were very tough championship caliber opponents back in the day.

 

[shopson67]

It wasn't specified what part of MJ's career flyhawk was talking about. Go back & read comment # 5 & you'll understand why I said what I said. Also I really only read that comment & responded to it.

Losing to those teams defeats the purpose of the discussion lol.

 

[SlinkyRedfoot]

If we could clone five prime Michael Jordans and five prime Lee Brown Jameses, and have them play a game, the Lee Browns would fuck the Jordans up. Even if the fifth Lee Brown clone was retarded like in Multiplicity.

Book market.