I'm going to be honest about Seattle

[NWPATSFAN]

For a guy living large, you sure don't act like it.

I'll pass along your well-wishes to my fellow igloo dwellers though.

Not acting like it? Why because I've said what most outside of the NW have said and or think?
Some of you Canucks are funny. RIP John Candy.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

yep that NFCW was a real smoker last year. But keep trying to deflect. This was/is about how bad Seattle will be, not Cleveland level but certainly on par with Buffalo and Miami.

The rest of the NFCW says thank you

WOW! Dude hatred really shows.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

WOW! Dude hatred really shows.

Seattle fans would call it hatred naturally.
Other fans would call it reality.

 

[DHoey]

Much-improved running game? Just like Rawls, Prosise, Carson, McKisic... let's just say we've been hearing how Seattle has found their answer to the loss of Lynch for a few years now.

I'm on record I wanted NE to draft Prosise. Can Penny be the answer? He could but the odds don't lend me to believe it. They at least have a blocking TE not that could help?

Rawls broke his leg and was never the same. Procise had one good game, Carson broke his ankle, McKissic was more receiver than RB, and Christine Michael actual had a decent run for us until he was released when Rawls came back healthy. So between some injuries, bad luck and poor front office choices yeah they have been looking for the answer.

 

[flyerhawk]

This troll thread is still churning along, huh?

 

[chf]

You watching game 7?

On in the break room. Nice dinner viewing

Long week. Fell asleep part way through. Almost friday though.

 

[chf]

Not acting like it? Why because I've said what most outside of the NW have said and or think?
Some of you Canucks are funny. RIP John Candy.

Look at how much I post on NE threads as a comparison.

 

[handicappers]

Seattle lost some key names to FA but I think they have a good shot to have a nice year despite a lot of folks thinking they may fall apart ..........I think they got a steal with Rasheem Green getting him in the 3rd RD..He was on my wish list for my Packers...I think he will come right in and provide a pass rush immediately.......Their D-backfield will be strong again this year without Richards.....I think that "D" can still get it done.......They still have a top 5 elite QB and I think they are the 2nd best team in that DIV...........Although it was risky taking that RB Penny in the 1st RD I understand the move - with Russell doing his thing they are capable of putting up a lot of points if they can have a big year running the ball...............Seattle still very capable IMO.......................

I made a futures wager that 49ers will win under 9 games this up coming season........Even if Jimmy G has a successful year I dont think their is enough pieces there especially on defense for them to win 10 games which would cost me my wager...........

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Look at how much I post on NE threads as a comparison.

Is this the Seattle board? I don't have a quota nor do I track how many threads on which subject/team I post on.

Geeze Pull your skirt down will ya?

 

[JMR]

All of the RBs started out well. Then they just fizzled out. Was it game tape? Was it the lack of O line? Even Christine Michael started out well. Point being is they were all hyped as much as Penny is being hyped. Not sure I would call 800 yards by Rawls fantastic even if you combine them with the 500 by RW. Sorry I don't want my QB running for 500 a year.

Well, when you say they "all" started out well then fizzled, you're only talking about 2 players -- Michael and Rawls. Carson was a rookie last year, lost for the season in game 4 so you really cannot say he's even had a chance to fizzle after looking "pretty good" in those 4 games. Prosise & McKissic are 3rd down specialists.

So why did Michael and Rawls ultimately not work out here? Well, I dunno...could be a variety of reasons. And some of those reasons could very well be gone now that the team has a new OC, new OL Coach, and some added talent to work with on the OL (including changing out 2 below avg TE blockers in Graham & Willson for 2 very good ones in Dickson & Dissly). Maybe those previous conditions were also why Alex Collins didn't get off the ground in Seattle but was immediately impactful in Baltimore. Unless you're telling me there's some sort of Marshawn Lynch curse on the team now, I'm not sure the failures of dingaling Christine Michael (cut by a few other teams) or UDFA Thomas Rawls (injury prone and undisciplined the zone blocking scheme) under Darrell Bevell & Tom Cable have anything to do with how well Penny (by all accounts not a dingaling, 1st round draft pick, incredibly productive in college) is going to perform in a new offense behind a rebuilt line. About half of 1st round picks don't live up though, historically, so of course it's quite possible Penny suffers that fate, but you really haven't provided any objective reasons as to why you think that will happen. We know you hate the Hawks, but you gotta do better than a coin flip as your rationale....or it's just one more thing in a long list of things you say primarily because you like to argue with Seattle fans.

I've mentioned multiple times this is only May and lots can and will happen by Jan. That's why most comments I paraphrase with words like on paper or currently. It's not as I'm on an island with thinking Seattle is an 8-8 type team.

Yeah, conditional statements to give you an escape clause. I get it. And I don't think I came close to saying you're on an island with an 8-8 prediction; you can find company on just about anything, and confirmation bias is certainly a thing. I've already conceded that putting so many new pieces together could lead to a slow start that prevents a playoff type year. I certainly haven't made any grandiose predictions on the 2018 team, though I think some critics are underselling them because of the 9-7 record and loss of a few "name" players. I guess we will see.

 

[chf]

Is this the Seattle board? I don't have a quota nor do I track how many threads on which subject/team I post on.

Geeze Pull your skirt down will ya?

Did that do it for ya? The skirt? Now visualize Wilson getting sacked. Penny tripping over the LOS. Almost there....

 

[chf]

I certainly haven't made any grandiose predictions on the 2018 team,

That's the new guy, but what fun to assign his beliefs to the rest of us ignorant Seattle bandwagon jumpers!

 

[JMR]

That's the new guy, but what fun to assign his beliefs to the rest of us ignorant Seattle bandwagon jumpers!

The other side of that is since "everyone is doing it" (predicting the end of the Seahawks) then it must be the thing to do.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Well, when you say they "all" started out well then fizzled, you're only talking about 2 players -- Michael and Rawls. Carson was a rookie last year, lost for the season in game 4 so you really cannot say he's even had a chance to fizzle after looking "pretty good" in those 4 games. Prosise & McKissic are 3rd down specialists.

So why did Michael and Rawls ultimately not work out here? Well, I dunno...could be a variety of reasons. And some of those reasons could very well be gone now that the team has a new OC, new OL Coach, and some added talent to work with on the OL (including changing out 2 below avg TE blockers in Graham & Willson for 2 very good ones in Dickson & Dissly). Maybe those previous conditions were also why Alex Collins didn't get off the ground in Seattle but was immediately impactful in Baltimore. Unless you're telling me there's some sort of Marshawn Lynch curse on the team now, I'm not sure the failures of dingaling Christine Michael (cut by a few other teams) or UDFA Thomas Rawls (injury prone and undisciplined the zone blocking scheme) under Darrell Bevell & Tom Cable have anything to do with how well Penny (by all accounts not a dingaling, 1st round draft pick, incredibly productive in college) is going to perform in a new offense behind a rebuilt line. About half of 1st round picks don't live up though, historically, so of course it's quite possible Penny suffers that fate, but you really haven't provided any objective reasons as to why you think that will happen. We know you hate the Hawks, but you gotta do better than a coin flip as your rationale....or it's just one more thing in a long list of things you say primarily because you like to argue with Seattle fans.

Yeah, conditional statements to give you an escape clause. I get it. And I don't think I came close to saying you're on an island with an 8-8 prediction; you can find company on just about anything, and confirmation bias is certainly a thing. I've already conceded that putting so many new pieces together could lead to a slow start that prevents a playoff type year. I certainly haven't made any grandiose predictions on the 2018 team, though I think some critics are underselling them because of the 9-7 record and loss of a few "name" players. I guess we will see.

No Lynch curse but that was the last time Seattle was a run first team and one teams had to scheme for is the point I attempted to make. I had already credited Seattle with their pick up of blocking TEs

I can argue each of your points utilizing your same logic. To include your escape clause. Or for you is the possibility of a slow start not an escape clause? Or half the first round picks don't live up, is that not leaving yourself an out?

We really have no idea how the running game will be? We have no idea what this new line (sorry I don't see them as a major improvement over last season) and certainly not as good as 4-5 years ago. We have no idea if these new coaches will be better or worse then Seattle v. 2017? Solari hasn't been touted as an Oline genius nor has Brian Shotty been touted as a great O-Coord. So are you calling heads or tails on the coin flip? Because you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of doing? You're speculating just like I am.

You did hit the nail on the head. I have no love for the Hawks. Mainly due to their obnoxious fan base. No that doesn't mean you and certainly not all the posters here on the hoop either. There are a handful of educated 12s both on here and around town. It comes more from the majority of idiot 12s I run into day in and day out. Yes each fan base has them. But those moronic 12s do make it easy and pleasurable to argue with though.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Did that do it for ya? The skirt? Now visualize Wilson getting sacked. Penny tripping over the LOS. Almost there....

Haha a blind person could visualize that. It's no stretch. But if it made you fell better, good on you.

 

[PDay8810]

The other side of that is since "everyone is doing it" (predicting the end of the Seahawks) then it must be the thing to do.

I haven't a clue how Seattle will do this year. The defense and oline has questions but Wilson is pretty special. Anything is possible. I tend to not buy in to the Rams after just one season and the niners and cards still don't look the contender part to me.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

The other side of that is since "everyone is doing it" (predicting the end of the Seahawks) then it must be the thing to do.

I'd suggest you look at the trend. Each season since their SB win they have slowly declined. If they had made huge strides in FA or even had a decent draft, fans outside the Emerald City and Calgary may think differently. As many of us have mentioned previously, we could all be proven wrong. You know the escape clause anyone but 12s use.

 

[chf]

Mainly due to their obnoxious fan base.

Heh

 

[chf]

Haha a blind person could visualize that. It's no stretch. But if it made you fell better, good on you.

What, no out clause?

You're sooooo conflicted.

 

[JMR]

No Lynch curse but that was the last time Seattle was a run first team and one teams had to scheme for is the point I attempted to make.

Just not accurate. Lynch's last impactful season in Seattle was 2014. It was still a top of the league type running team in 2015 when Lynch did pretty much nothing. That's when Rawls gained 800 yards in around a half a season.

I can argue each of your points utilizing your same logic. To include your escape clause. Or for you is the possibility of a slow start not an escape clause? Or half the first round picks don't live up, is that not leaving yourself an out?

I havent made any prediction at all on the season yet. If I would say something like "12-4 if...." then ya got me. The only thing I've done so far is acknowledge that many new pieces will be a challenge to putting together a good start to the season. That's what I expect to happen. It's not a conditional on a prediction.

We really have no idea how the running game will be? We have no idea what this new line (sorry I don't see them as a major improvement over last season) and certainly not as good as 4-5 years ago. We have no idea if these new coaches will be better or worse then Seattle v. 2017? Solari hasn't been touted as an Oline genius nor has Brian Shotty been touted as a great O-Coord. So are you calling heads or tails on the coin flip? Because you're doing the same thing you're accusing me of doing? You're speculating just like I am.

But you're basically waiving off all the moves and saying they won't work because the run game has been absent since Lynch left. I guess they're just doomed forever no matter what they do?

You did hit the nail on the head. I have no love for the Hawks. Mainly due to their obnoxious fan base. No that doesn't mean you and certainly not all the posters here on the hoop either. There are a handful of educated 12s both on here and around town. It comes more from the majority of idiot 12s I run into day in and day out. Yes each fan base has them. But those moronic 12s do make it easy and pleasurable to argue with though.

Do you really think the Seattle fanbase is any different than any of the other teams that have been good to great this decade? You arent going to find many braggart Bengals or Browns fans. You also aren't going to find many "aw shucks" Pats fans either.