If we are being honest about it, DeVonta Smith is going to establish himself as the best WR in the league within the next 3 years.

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

You’re still leaning on one football game where you admit the defense changed up the looks and employed press. They got them on a scheme adjustment. Let’s see what happens when the Vikings catch them again and how they adjust.

Yes they changed because they gave JJ a free release and literally nobody was covering him across the middle of the field for multiple plays. It was obvious a jam in man on man with JA would shut him down easily and I was correct.

I expect the Vikes to do what they can to prevent this from happening by moving him around, slot, bubble screens, etc. Unless he believes he has trained and upgraded his skill set to beat the Jam which I highly doubt.

Overall, the man to man press coverage can still be an effective tool as proven against the so called best WR in the game last year. This tool doesn't need to be utilized all the time but should be used especially against top tier WR's who haven't proven they can beat it like JJ and Smith. Again, it doesn't mean they can't eventually figure it out it just means they haven't YET.

 

[PnkPanther]

He's a lil boy. Bump him of the LOS like JA did to JJ and you shut his tiny a55 down. I said the same thing about JJ and finally someone checked him at the LOS and shut him down. Too much zone and soft coverage in the NFL today.

Jaire didn't shut JJ down on his own, in fact JJ was open several times but Kirk didn't have time or pay attention

After GB fumbled early and we had the ball in goal line, JJ dusted Jaire in end zone and was wide open, for reasons unknown to me, Kirk wasn't looking way and Jaire did eventually recover

Jaire really blanketed him I guess (again, somehow Kirk didn't make the play and eventually dumped it to theilen for incomplete)



Other times through out game GB had him doubled and got good pressure on Kirk

so, yes, while JJ was shut down, it wasn't done single handed by Jaire. Jefferson isn't going to win every 1:1 match up vs Jaire, but he'll win his fair share

 

[PnkPanther]

You’re still leaning on one football game where you admit the defense changed up the looks and employed press. They got them on a scheme adjustment. Let’s see what happens when the Vikings catch them again and how they adjust.

He's also acting like it Jaire one on one vs JJ, it was not.

 

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

Jaire didn't shut JJ down on his own, in fact JJ was open several times but Kirk didn't have time or pay attention

After GB fumbled early and we had the ball in goal line, JJ dusted Jaire in end zone and was wide open, for reasons unknown to me, Kirk wasn't looking way and Jaire did eventually recover

Jaire really blanketed him I guess (again, somehow Kirk didn't make the play and eventually dumped it to theilen for incomplete)

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Other times through out game GB had him doubled and got good pressure on Kirk

so, yes, while JJ was shut down, it wasn't done single handed by Jaire. Jefferson isn't going to win every 1:1 match up vs Jaire, but he'll win his fair share

1.) I never said he was never open.

2.) JJ was completely shut down when JA did play man to man bump and run. JJ couldn't do shit.

3.) That was obviously zone coverage in that image which is why JA stopped and pointed him out and the packers zone coverage is swiss cheese which is why JJ dominated the first game because basically nobody was covering him as he jogged across the middle of the field on multiple long passes. Packers safeties are clueless and complete gutter trash.

Overall, when JA did play bump and run man to man he shut the lil boy down easily. He freaking cried like a baby, hit a ref with his helmet and canceled his own SM all because of this ass beating. Overall, he never needed any help as when he played man to man press he obliterated JJ and could've done it all game long. I'm quite surprised JJ didn't quit the NFL completely after that ass beating.

Was there plays where he had help or played in zone, yes of course there was because Joe Barry is a zone guy. But he actually gave JA a chance to play man to man press coverage and the times he did it worked perfectly. On the one and only play in game one where JJ played man to man press, JJ got a PI to push off.

So many Vikes fans were talking about help bs and made all kinds of excuses like the field, the shoes, churches chicken, etc etc. Just take the L. JA is JJ's biological father now. JA talked the trash called the previous game a fluke and he backed that ass up with his play.


Could JJ respond and beat him this year? Sure, but I doubt it. They will do their best to keep JA from punching him in the mouth at the line because he's too soft like a marshmellow.

 

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

He's also acting like it Jaire one on one vs JJ, it was not.

Strawman

 

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

Game one

LB covers JJ or nobody covers JJ

Game 2



Ohhhhh he hits him with the griddy dancing on his grave. RIP JJ

 

[PnkPanther]

1.) I never said he was never open.

2.) JJ was completely shut down when JA did play man to man bump and run. JJ couldn't do shit.

3.) That was obviously zone coverage in that image which is why JA stopped and pointed him out and the packers zone coverage is swiss cheese which is why JJ dominated the first game because basically nobody was covering him as he jogged across the middle of the field on multiple long passes. Packers safeties are clueless and complete gutter trash.

Overall, when JA did play bump and run man to man he shut the lil boy down easily. He freaking cried like a baby, hit a ref with his helmet and canceled his own SM all because of this ass beating. Overall, he never needed any help as when he played man to man press he obliterated JJ and could've done it all game long. I'm quite surprised JJ didn't quit the NFL completely after that ass beating.

Was there plays where he had help or played in zone, yes of course there was because Joe Barry is a zone guy. But he actually gave JA a chance to play man to man press coverage and the times he did it worked perfectly. On the one and only play in game one where JJ played man to man press, JJ got a PI to push off.

So many Vikes fans were talking about help bs and made all kinds of excuses like the field, the shoes, churches chicken, etc etc. Just take the L. JA is JJ's biological father now. JA talked the trash called the previous game a fluke and he backed that ass up with his play.


Could JJ respond and beat him this year? Sure, but I doubt it. They will do their best to keep JA from punching him in the mouth at the line because he's too soft like a marshmellow.

You're telling me 3 yards from EZ Jaire wasn't playing man, he was playing a deep zone? JJ dusted him. There was no else ever there, Jaire Lined up over JJ and JJ got right off line. Jefferson did make a mistake, he moved back into Jaire instead of settling in, but he was wide open and beat Jaire off line

But keep being delusional

GB dominated us that week, no argument

 

[PnkPanther]

Game one
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LB covers JJ or nobody covers JJ

Game 2

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Ohhhhh he hits him with the griddy dancing on his grave. RIP JJ

Usually when the DB grabs the WR early like Jaire did as he was falling away from JJ, that'll get called

 

[PnkPanther]

Strawman

You clearly don't know what a strawman is

You're also just clearly trolling here, so my time is done

 

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

You're telling me 3 yards from EZ Jaire wasn't playing man, he was playing a deep zone? JJ dusted him

But keep being delusional

GB dominated us that week, no argument

Yeah that's why JA made JJ his bitch in press coverage in that game and one play in the first game.

Come on you're either outright lying, have poor memory or just being intellectually dishonest.

1.) Even if you just look at the picture JJ was standing still while JJ is 7 yards into the endzone. Do you think JA would stop unless it was his duty to stay in his zone?
2.) Go watch the tape He literally stops and lets him go and points it out as he was in zone.
3.) Nobody on the planet is going to smoke one of the best CB's and fastest CB's on the planet by 7 yards especially when at the what the three yardline. That's just ridiculous.

I remember he stopped and pointed it out and I was PO'd because I thought they were back to running the swiss cheese zone defense for the rest of the game. Feel free to bring up the footage and prove me wrong. I've offered anyone to give me footage of D. Smith beating press coverage against a solid DB and they couldn't provide that tape. He's done it maybe 4 times in his career on catches from what I've seen and IDK if the CB's were scrubs or not. Nobody on here has provided any evidence or proof, they just talk out of their asses.

Just like GB was dominated in week one (worst team in football in week one over the last few years since Rodgers doesn't practice).

 

[eaglesnut]

sweet and sour chicken

Yum!

 

[Mebert]

You clearly don't know what a strawman is

You're also just clearly trolling here, so my time is done

Dude is the new worst poster in here. He is all over the place with bad claims, and everyone has attempted to correct him. No amount of facts is going to change his mind or who he is. Engaging with him is a losing proposition.

 

[eaglesnut]

his sweet ass

gay

 

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

Usually when the DB grabs the WR early like Jaire did as he was falling away from JJ, that'll get called

Watch the play, JJ pushes off first then JA grabs after. The ref let them play instead of calling ticky tack calls as neither was egregious so I agree with letting them play it out.

 

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

Yum!

Chris Tucker gave us this line in Rush Hour.

 

[PnkPanther]

Watch the play, JJ pushes off first then JA grabs after. The ref let them play instead of calling ticky tack calls as neither was egregious so I agree with letting them play it out.

i'm guessing you think Watson is a better WR too

 

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

You clearly don't know what a strawman is

You're also just clearly trolling here, so my time is done

strawman (noun)

1. an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument:
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   You said "He's also acting like it Jaire one on one vs JJ, it was not." I never said this or insinuated this at all so you're falsely representing my claims and beliefs on the matter, hence you made a strawman argument. I've already said the JA did have help as he does in every game that's a part of the game. My point is when he played bump and run press coverage he locked up JJ and didn't need any help. You're done, I finished our discussion. You're welcome.

 

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

i'm guessing you think Watson is a better WR too

Keep up with your baseless assumptions to make a fool of yourself. Never stated this nor do I believe this. He has more potential but not better as of right now. Anymore baseless assumptions from the peanut gallery?

 

[PnkPanther]

Keep up with your baseless assumptions to make a fool of yourself. Never stated this nor do I believe this. He has more potential but not better as of right now. Anymore baseless assumptions from the peanut gallery?

I nailed it. You're such a homer

 

[Sweetswingingsammysosa]

Dude is the new worst poster in here. He is all over the place with bad claims, and everyone has attempted to correct him. No amount of facts is going to change his mind or who he is. Engaging with him is a losing proposition.

Clearly I triggered you by simply giving your the truth and you're butthurt now.

Who's EVERYONE you speak of? You mean a couple Vikes fans upset JA strapped JJ and a couple Eagles fans upset Smith hasn't proven he can beat press coverage from a solid corner which is an absolute fact. Don't let facts hurt your feelings now.

Show me these so called facts. I asked for anyone to show me one and not a single fact has been used to disprove my overall stance.

Please show me the footage where D. Smith won against press coverage vs a solid DB and not facing free releases nearly all game in soft coverage or zone. Please show me where JJ beat JA in man to man press coverage once last year. Show be the tape. If not you're indeed being intellectually dishonest and you're projecting when you call me the worst poster and it's as simple as that. Again, I'm completely open to changing my stance but nobody has provided the evidence. If you do I'll fully admit I was wrong. Instead it's the opposite, none of the people I've talked with in here are able to admit they were wrong.

JA>>JJ when in man to man press coverage (right now)

D. Smith no proof he can beat press coverage from a solid CB in the NFL so far

Man to man press coverage is a valuable skill for NFL CB's to utilize.

CHANGE MY MIND