I Bet Roses' Teammates Are Pissed

[dacey]

Some legal news: A 25 year old Peoria Illinois man has filed a lawsuit against Chicago Bulls Superstar Derrick Rose. Matthew Thompson, a self-described long-time Bulls fan, and electrician claims Rose missing the entire 2012-2013 NBA regular season has caused him to have mental breakdowns and emotional distress, which ultimately led to obesity issues.

Thompson claims Rose displayed negligent behavior by refusing to return to the court, despite having been cleared by team doctors. He blames his health issues on the MVP’s refusal to return.

 

[JDM]

If I was Derrick Rose my teammates should respect me. They also got to the playoffs without him, no reason they can't compete in the playoffs without him.

I disagree. I will agree that they may be better off without him if he's playing scared, but to be a superstar you have to be mentally tough and I would have trouble being on a team led by someone I did not consider a leader.

Leader's don't sit out on their team without very good reason. Leaders have to be held off the court while they are injured. Leaders win championships.

 

[thehoorse]

Some legal news: A 25 year old Peoria Illinois man has filed a lawsuit against Chicago Bulls Superstar Derrick Rose. Matthew Thompson, a self-described long-time Bulls fan, and electrician claims Rose missing the entire 2012-2013 NBA regular season has caused him to have mental breakdowns and emotional distress, which ultimately led to obesity issues.

Thompson claims Rose displayed negligent behavior by refusing to return to the court, despite having been cleared by team doctors. He blames his health issues on the MVP’s refusal to return.

They talked about this on the local sports radio station here where I'm at. It's the most ridiculous lawsuit. The judge should throw the gavel at the guy, as well as the case out of court. I can understand if you tried to file a suit saying you wanted your money back, but for obesity?? C'mon man!

 

[uncfan103]

Which is why the great ones rise above it and get it done.

Have you ever had to deal with anything similar? I'm just curious.

Because regardless of how badly he might want to play, if he can't get on the court without fear of hurting himself again then he doesn't need to be playing. I don't think he is less of a warrior because he can't mentally get over this.

I think his teammates should be able to respect his opinion because they know he would be out there if he could. Him being medically cleared does not mean he can go on the court and play at full speed at the same level he was before the injury.

 

[JDM]

I have obviously not played at that level, but I have played sports most of my life and often had to beg doctors to clear me. I would not respect a player on my team as a leader who stretched the time they missed.

 

[uncfan103]

I disagree. I will agree that they may be better off without him if he's playing scared, but to be a superstar you have to be mentally tough and I would have trouble being on a team led by someone I did not consider a leader.

Leader's don't sit out on their team without very good reason. Leaders have to be held off the court while they are injured. Leaders win championships.

You don't think he wants to be out there? I don't see how his "superstar" status means he should be more capable of returning from an injury. Its difficult to come back and play without fear.

I don't think people know what he is dealing with.

 

[uncfan103]

I have obviously not played at that level, but I have played sports most of my life and often had to beg doctors to clear me. I would not respect a player on my team as a leader who stretched the time they missed.

Have you ever had that kind of injury? Had you ever lost your ability to walk and tried to return to the level you were at previously? I have begged to play games, I have played through injuries my coaches and teammates didn't even know about.

But, this kind of injury is completely different, IMO.

 

[thehoorse]

Have you ever had to deal with anything similar? I'm just curious.

I've never played in the NBA

Ok seriously now, I did play baseball from tee ball through high school. There were a few times I had fear after getting hit with the ball. One time in little league a ground ball took a bad hop and gave me a black eye. I had a hard time getting in front of grounders for a little while. I got over it relatively quick because my dad is an old school type and so he took me to the park and hit me 1,000 ground balls if that's what it took to get over it. Can't thank him enough for teaching me that lesson through sports.

Because regardless of how badly he might want to play, if he can't get on the court without fear of hurting himself again then he doesn't need to be playing. I don't think he is less of a warrior because he can't mentally get over this.

I honestly can't say how much of a warrior he is or isn't. I don't know what's inside his head. However, I do know he has been cleared to play by doctors and he is not on the court. I think it's fair to question his mental toughness based on that. That's all.

I think his teammates should be able to respect his opinion because they know he would be out there if he could. Him being medically cleared does not mean he can go on the court and play at full speed at the same level he was before the injury.

His teammates know he would be out there if he could? I'm not so sure they do know that. Afterall, he "could" be out there physically and he isn't.

 

[True Lakers Fan]

They talked about this on the local sports radio station here where I'm at. It's the most ridiculous lawsuit. The judge should throw the gavel at the guy, as well as the case out of court. I can understand if you tried to file a suit saying you wanted your money back, but for obesity?? C'mon man!

I disagree - they should laugh him out of court and keep laughing until he has no choice but to leave because they won't stop laughing

 

[uncfan103]

I've never played in the NBA

1) Ok seriously now, I did play baseball from tee ball through high school. There were a few times I had fear after getting hit with the ball. One time in little league a ground ball took a bad hop and gave me a black eye. I had a hard time getting in front of grounders for a little while. I got over it relatively quick because my dad is an old school type and so he took me to the park and hit me 1,000 ground balls if that's what it took to get over it. Can't thank him enough for teaching me that lesson through sports.



2) I honestly can't say how much of a warrior he is or isn't. I don't know what's inside his head. However, I do know he has been cleared to play by doctors and he is not on the court. I think it's fair to question his mental toughness based on that. That's all.



3) His teammates know he would be out there if he could? I'm not so sure they do know that. Afterall, he "could" be out there physically and he isn't.

1) I'm not trying to be rude, but that is completely different. At least, in my opinion it is.

2) Sure, that's fair enough. I don't have a problem with people questioning his mental toughness. But, that doesn't make him less of a leader. But, again, most people I've heard questioning him on TV and in newspapers have never experienced the mental toughness necessary to recover.

3) Physically, sure he could be out there. But he can't change the fact that, because of how difficult it is to mentally recover, he in actuality cannot compete at the level he was, if at all. It's an extremely uncomfortable thing to do.

 

[thehoorse]

I disagree - they should laugh him out of court and keep laughing until he has no choice but to leave because they won't stop laughing

That would be hilarious. I like that idea.

 

[uncfan103]

I disagree - they should laugh him out of court and keep laughing until he has no choice but to leave because they won't stop laughing

 

[JDM]

You don't think he wants to be out there? I don't see how his "superstar" status means he should be more capable of returning from an injury. Its difficult to come back and play without fear.

I don't think people know what he is dealing with.

Mental toughness is a requirement of a leader. Not coming back when the doctors clear you is a sign of a lack of mental toughness. The doctor won't risk massive lawsuits and a huge disgrace of telling an athlete they are ready to return before they are. They may be convinced to clear them before they are 100% confident if the player understands the risk, but if they would tell them they are ready when they are not they should not be a doctor near that level.

Have you ever had that kind of injury? Had you ever lost your ability to walk and tried to return to the level you were at previously? I have begged to play games, I have played through injuries my coaches and teammates didn't even know about.

But, this kind of injury is completely different, IMO.

I have not torn ligaments, but I have sprained my knee badly enough that for an extended period my knee would buckle randomly just walking around, screwed up my shoulder badly enough that without my arm laced to my side my shoulder would pop out every form tackle on a tackling dummy, and had concussions that cost myself weeks of memory. At various points I went to specialists for all of these, and I lied about my pain and told them everything they needed to hear to get back on the football field and wrestling mat, because I felt my team needed me.

I am not saying Rose should do that, or even that I made the right decisions, but if you are honest with your doctor who is likely one of the best specialists available and they tell you you can play, you play. If you don't, you are not a true leader of your team. Even though in my case it was only high school, I do not regret the decisions I made. My sports have had more of a positive impact on who I am than any other single area of my life.

 

[thehoorse]

Mental toughness is a requirement of a leader. Not coming back when the doctors clear you is a sign of a lack of mental toughness. The doctor won't risk massive lawsuits and a huge disgrace of telling an athlete they are ready to return before they are. They may be convinced to clear them before they are 100% confident if the player understands the risk, but if they would tell them they are ready when they are not they should not be a doctor near that level.



I have not torn ligaments, but I have sprained my knee badly enough that for an extended period my knee would buckle randomly just walking around, screwed up my shoulder badly enough that without my arm laced to my side my shoulder would pop out every form tackle on a tackling dummy, and had concussions that cost myself weeks of memory. At various points I went to specialists for all of these, and I lied about my pain and told them everything they needed to hear to get back on the football field and wrestling mat, because I felt my team needed me.

I am not saying Rose should do that, or even that I made the right decisions, but if you are honest with your doctor who is likely one of the best specialists available and they tell you you can play, you play. If you don't, you are not a true leader of your team. Even though in my case it was only high school, I do not regret the decisions I made. My sports have had more of a positive impact on who I am than any other single area of my life.

 

[uncfan103]

Mental toughness is a requirement of a leader. Not coming back when the doctors clear you is a sign of a lack of mental toughness. The doctor won't risk massive lawsuits and a huge disgrace of telling an athlete they are ready to return before they are. They may be convinced to clear them before they are 100% confident if the player understands the risk, but if they would tell them they are ready when they are not they should not be a doctor near that level.



I have not torn ligaments, but I have sprained my knee badly enough that for an extended period my knee would buckle randomly just walking around, screwed up my shoulder badly enough that without my arm laced to my side my shoulder would pop out every form tackle on a tackling dummy, and had concussions that cost myself weeks of memory. At various points I went to specialists for all of these, and I lied about my pain and told them everything they needed to hear to get back on the football field and wrestling mat, because I felt my team needed me.

I am not saying Rose should do that, or even that I made the right decisions, but if you are honest with your doctor who is likely one of the best specialists available and they tell you you can play, you play. If you don't, you are not a true leader of your team. Even though in my case it was only high school, I do not regret the decisions I made. My sports have had more of a positive impact on who I am than any other single area of my life.

How can you assign a "leader" things out of his control? He has absolutely no control over whether or not he is capable of playing without thoughts of injuring himself again. Why is it that because he is the team leader he should be more capable than someone else when it comes to recovering from an injury? His mental toughness isn't affected by that his leadership ability.

Like I said, I think he wants to be playing, but can't force himself to do it because of how difficult it is. He is capable, like you were, of physically performing on the court. However, you knew you were able to play. You weren't afraid of the possible consequences, reinjury, complications, and you were able to get yourself to actually perform (which is extremely difficult for some people).

 

[JDM]

It is in his control. He has been cleared to play, and he can play. He is choosing not to, and I would not respect a teammate trying to call himself a leader that would make that decision. Leadership is pushing yourself through mental difficulties.

 

[Thumper]

Wow! I find this all shocking.

 

[uncfan103]

It is in his control. He has been cleared to play, and he can play. He is choosing not to, and I would not respect a teammate trying to call himself a leader that would make that decision. Leadership is pushing yourself through mental difficulties.

I'm sure Rose self-assigned himself the position of leader and cares whether his teammates view him as one. He hasn't been playing all year, I'm sure other players have taken the role of leader. And once again, him being cleared to play doesn't magically make him able to play.

I don't think Rose cares at all if his teammates lose respect for him over this because he knows he just can't do it. It's not easy to come back from a serious injury and just pretend it never happened.

There's a whole lot more to it than just...doctor said he could play he should play. It's not like his mental toughness is a conscious decision to abandon his teammates, an it certainly doesn't mean that he is all of a sudden capable of playing (and at a high level) just because the doctor cleared him.

Sorry I'm writing so much, I just trying to get my point across that people don't know what he's going through and it's not as easy as it sounds.

 

[JDM]

It is a conscious decision not to play. It may not be conscious that he's scared to play, but deciding not to play is a conscious decision.

 

[shitsho]

As a teammate I don't have a problem with him. I'd rather he be able to play completely at 100% then compromise me and the team because he is afraid of something. Somewhere in the back of my mind I would question his toughness for as long as it took for him to show me different. As a player you really can't publically question his decision. Its his body and mind which no one knows better than him.