Hypothetical Trade Scenario

[cincygrad]

You fuckers are all going to be back on the bandwagon after the Bengals start 4-0 and Dalton is the AFC player of the month. Hobs is going to write a "September to Remember" article on Bengals.com and Kramer is even going to start calling our games as 4 touchdown wins. Doug and Crash will be giddy beyond all belief.

I'll buy in.

Then we'll reach the playoffs and we'll be reminded of an important life lesson about trusting ginger qbs.

New for next season will be a 1 seed, a bye and an epic divisional round upset -- Probably by a crappy team like the Titans.

 

[Cincyfan78]

You fuckers are all going to be back on the bandwagon after the Bengals start 4-0 and Dalton is the AFC player of the month. Hobs is going to write a "September to Remember" article on Bengals.com and Kramer is even going to start calling our games as 4 touchdown wins. Doug and Crash will be giddy beyond all belief.

I'll buy in.

Then we'll reach the playoffs and we'll be reminded of an important life lesson about trusting ginger qbs.

New for next season will be a 1 seed, a bye and an epic divisional round upset -- Probably by a crappy team like the Titans.

Bengals fever!

Catch it!

 

[bengaldoug]

You fuckers are all going to be back on the bandwagon after the Bengals start 4-0 and Dalton is the AFC player of the month. Hobs is going to write a "September to Remember" article on Bengals.com and Kramer is even going to start calling our games as 4 touchdown wins. Doug and Crash will be giddy beyond all belief.

I'll buy in.

Then we'll reach the playoffs and we'll be reminded of an important life lesson about trusting ginger qbs.

New for next season will be a 1 seed, a bye and an epic divisional round upset -- Probably by a crappy team like the Titans.

Whodey!!!!!!!!

I'm already fired up........

 

[futballiscool]

Where do you get the probowl receivers? I'm assuming that there aren't going to be many available in FA and drafting receivers has always been hit-or-miss.

Vincent Jackson, Pierre Garcon, Brandon Marshall, Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, Wes Welker, Anquan Bouldin, Danny Amendola etc

They've all switched teams the past two offseasons alone. I won't include Percy Harvin because he required a first rd pick in the exchange, but it was a pick at the end of the 1st rd as opposed to the #2 overall pick Green fetches in the hypothetical.

This year's group looks weak, mostly because of Maclin's injury and Nicks having an inexplicably bad yr. But generally speaking acquiring talented WRs is much easier than it is at other positions if you're willing to spend the cash.

I'm not saying I'd make the trade, but given that Green's going into the last year of his deal, the offer is fair

 

[futballiscool]

we shouldn't be resigning Dalton to anything close to that.

I wouldn't do it. You don't move a proven guy who is the 2nd best at his position in the league for someone unproven.

I would consider drafting Mettenburger or even Tahj Boyd in the 3rd or 4th

The market's been set at the QB position. Starters are all getting 15 million a yr unless they're stopgaps

 

[alf8478]

The whole thing came up because i was getting my balls busted about being a Bengals fan and how bad Dalton is/was. I said I wanted the team to make a bold move for a QB but I didnt want to give up all the picks and get stuck like the Redskins. My Ram friend said he'd take AJ for #2. We all laughed it off, but ended up talking ourselves thru it to see how much sense it made. There is some merit to it.
1-save $ on AJ's extension --maybe spend on D, or O-line
2-We still have Jones, Sanu, Hawk, Eifert, Gresham and Gio, and if Hue wants to run as much as he says.
3-Dalton is gone.
4-Its easier to find/draft/sign a top receiver than a QB
5-The 4 teams left all have big time QB's and none have a top 10 receiver.
5-We'd still have our draft picks...and we have been drafting well lately

All that being said, I'd still keep AJ (unless he declined an extension). We all know this team isn't ballsy enough to do something like that anyway,but it made for a good bar conversation.
Thanks for your input.

 

[cincygrad]

One interesting note to add.....

AJ is actually locked up for two more years if you take into account the team option. Apparently all we have to do is pay him at the top 10 of all receivers.

That means you could actually lock up a first round draft pick for 6 years by paying the rookie deal the first 4, picking up the team option for year 5 (have to pay the 'transition' tag price of top 10 at position) and then a franchise tag (top 5 at position) for year 6.

Will there ever be a first round running back that makes it to a second deal again?

And, how the hell did the players negotiate such an awful CBA?

 

[futballiscool]

One interesting note to add.....

AJ is actually locked up for two more years if you take into account the team option. Apparently all we have to do is pay him at the top 10 of all receivers.

That means you could actually lock up a first round draft pick for 6 years by paying the rookie deal the first 4, picking up the team option for year 5 (have to pay the 'transition' tag price of top 10 at position) and then a franchise tag (top 5 at position) for year 6.

Will there ever be a first round running back that makes it to a second deal again?

And, how the hell did the players negotiate such an awful CBA?

The rookies got screwed over.

The owners were in favor of that for obvious reasons.

The players union was in favor of it because the veterans now get a larger percentage of the team's salary cap spent on their contracts.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Imagine AJ Green with a real QB

 

[CrashDavisSports]

The whole thing came up because i was getting my balls busted about being a Bengals fan and how bad Dalton is/was. I said I wanted the team to make a bold move for a QB but I didnt want to give up all the picks and get stuck like the Redskins. My Ram friend said he'd take AJ for #2. We all laughed it off, but ended up talking ourselves thru it to see how much sense it made. There is some merit to it.
1-save $ on AJ's extension --maybe spend on D, or O-line
2-We still have Jones, Sanu, Hawk, Eifert, Gresham and Gio, and if Hue wants to run as much as he says.
3-Dalton is gone.
4-Its easier to find/draft/sign a top receiver than a QB
5-The 4 teams left all have big time QB's and none have a top 10 receiver.
5-We'd still have our draft picks...and we have been drafting well lately

All that being said, I'd still keep AJ (unless he declined an extension). We all know this team isn't ballsy enough to do something like that anyway,but it made for a good bar conversation.
Thanks for your input.

Problem is, AJ Green is worth 2 - 1st round picks at least by himself. You think Calvin Johnson would be traded for less than 2 1st rounders? AJ is much younger, just about as good, and faster with excellent hands also.

There is no way I would take 1st round pick for Green. Rams would have to give up this years 1st and 2nd round picks, and possibly next years 1st round pick. If they are in the top 10 picks again next year, you can admin that second year pick to a 2nd rounder, which they more than likely would not be. Only reason they have that #2 pick is because of the Redskins.

PS..I want nothing to do with Teddy Bridgewater. I am all for drafting a QB, but I don't want the team to spend the picks or players it would take to get that high when you can get a decent QB to groom in the 2nd or 3rd round and still have AJ Green.

Just prepare that the team is keeping Dalton around forever. Sucks, but that is reality.

 

[Gypsumstack]

we shouldn't be resigning Dalton to anything close to that.

I wouldn't do it. You don't move a proven guy who is the 2nd best at his position in the league for someone unproven.

I would consider drafting Mettenburger or even Tahj Boyd in the 3rd or 4th

I love AJ, but he is not the 2nd best receiver in the game. Hell, an argument could be made that he is the 2nd best receiver on the team after the year Jones had.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I love AJ, but he is not the 2nd best receiver in the game. Hell, an argument could be made that he is the 2nd best receiver on the team after the year Jones had.

Now you have gone and lost your damn mind son!

 

[Cincyfan78]

I love AJ, but he is not the 2nd best receiver in the game. Hell, an argument could be made that he is the 2nd best receiver on the team after the year Jones had.

Teams don't game plan around Marvin Jones. They might in the future, but they don't now.

AJ get's the over/under treatment nearly every play with safety help.

 

[Cincyfan78]

So, we trade AJ, draft a QB, and are basically where we were 2-3 years ago? Rookie QB, and a bunch of unproven WR? None of the F/A's are worth paying $$$ for, and not many of them would be a #1. Marvin had a good year, but he's not a #1 WR, either.

I could see it if maybe the bengals were 4-12 or something like that, but the offense, outside of the QB, is good enough to win. You draft a QB, or sign a F/A QB and hope they push Dalton and maybe even beat-out Dalton (not happening with Marvin here, but whatever) and take you chances.

 

[cdumler7]

Just a quick reminder at the guy saying there are no top 10 receivers on any of the final 4 teams. The Broncos have D. Thomas who has been to the last 2 pro bowls with back to back 1400 yard seasons and over 10 touchdowns. Throw in Wes Welker is still a feared man and that is 2 guys depending who you talk to that could be considered top 10. Crabtree if he ever stayed healthy could get his name in the conversation.

 

[DanBengalfan]

Just a quick reminder at the guy saying there are no top 10 receivers on any of the final 4 teams. The Broncos have D. Thomas who has been to the last 2 pro bowls with back to back 1400 yard seasons and over 10 touchdowns. Throw in Wes Welker is still a feared man and that is 2 guys depending who you talk to that could be considered top 10. Crabtree if he ever stayed healthy could get his name in the conversation.

Isn't this a contradiction?
D.Thomas is #4 in receiving yards and #9 in receptions
also #2 in receiving TD
how the hell is he not a top 10 receiver?

 

[Cincyfan78]

Isn't this a contradiction?
D.Thomas is #4 in receiving yards and #9 in receptions
also #2 in receiving TD
how the hell is he not a top 10 receiver?

I think he was offering that as a rebuttal to someone saying else saying there wasn't a top 10 WR.

 

[alf8478]

Isn't this a contradiction?
D.Thomas is #4 in receiving yards and #9 in receptions
also #2 in receiving TD
how the hell is he not a top 10 receiver?

He was referring to my saying that there wasn't a top 10 receiver left in the final four teams.

I like Thomas, he's one of my favorite receivers, and probably the best receiver left, and he probably is in the top 10, or very near there, I guess I should have said "dominant #1 receiver" instead of top 10. Denver has so many weapons on offense, its hard for me to consider any of them individually as dominant.

 

[cdumler7]

He was referring to my saying that there wasn't a top 10 receiver left in the final four teams.

I like Thomas, he's one of my favorite receivers, and probably the best receiver left, and he probably is in the top 10, or very near there, I guess I should have said "dominant #1 receiver" instead of top 10. Denver has so many weapons on offense, its hard for me to consider any of them individually as dominant.

Right but he did the same this year as last year when all he had was Decker. Obviously this year is hard to tell because of so many great weapons but defensive coordinators have said D. Thomas and Welker are the two that scare them the most and are given the most time all week in the game plan. Peyton has even said Thomas was one of the main reasons he came to Denver because he had never worked with a receiver quite like him. Also not sure then what you mean by "dominant #1 receiver." He is 4th in yards and 1st in touchdowns among receivers this year. Throw in he is 1st among receivers in yards after the catch. So he is top 5 in quite a few receiving categories this season alone. I guess my question then would be who do you consider more dominant or who do you consider that falls within that category?

 

[Cincyfan78]

Right but he did the same this year as last year when all he had was Decker. Obviously this year is hard to tell because of so many great weapons but defensive coordinators have said D. Thomas and Welker are the two that scare them the most and are given the most time all week in the game plan. Peyton has even said Thomas was one of the main reasons he came to Denver because he had never worked with a receiver quite like him. Also not sure then what you mean by "dominant #1 receiver." He is 4th in yards and 1st in touchdowns among receivers this year. Throw in he is 1st among receivers in yards after the catch. So he is top 5 in quite a few receiving categories this season alone. I guess my question then would be who do you consider more dominant or who do you consider that falls within that category?

Marvin Jones.

of course!