SteveDallas
T&R Refugee
It's gonna be a long summer.
Proof positive that there are way to many fucking lawyers in this country. I broke a shoe string this morning causing me to rap my nuckles on the coffee table. Think that should be worth a couple grand.
As for a side note, no one tied to A&M has said the price will go up. The idiot talking heads in the media who are looking for both a story and a shot at SEA, are the only ones talking about a fee increase.
Why would we care about going to court? We legally own something and have the documents now to prove that Seattle agrees with that. A&M doesn't have to license it for a tiny freaking amount of money...but you keep banging that "we are the victim here" drum. It suits your fanbase so well.
Nope. Not at all. I don't care that they have to pay for the copyright. I just don't see how a term like "12th man" or "3-peat" can reasonably be owned by someone.
So what? The entire reason Seattle pays for the rights to it is so they can make money off of it as well.
A few years ago the high school I went to was sued by Florida State because the high school was using their logo and name "The Seminoles", the latter not being an issue for them. Florida State walked away with a bunch of money from a district in a downward spiral and were required to replace athletic logos. That isn't exactly the outcome that benefits society the most but they protected their intangible property.
Here's a link.
IMO the Seahawks aren't being excessively charged for the whole ordeal and they make millions off of that relatively small expense. It economically benefits both A&M and Seattle so I don't really see the sour grapes aspect of it you do.
I don't think Seattle is currently make millions off "12th Man". I just browsed the team shop website and couldn't find the phrase anywhere.
Not leasing the name "12th Man" anymore wouldn't cost the Seahawks any money, nor would they have to change any of their traditions either. They can still sell the 12 jerseys. The can still raise the 12 flag. They can still refer to their fanbase as 12s.
Let the lease go, if for no other reason than to shut up this whole A&M crap that only makes trolls and lawyers happy.
Legally using it on broadcasts, commercials, advertisements, having a giant flag in the stadium etc. all draw consumers to buy flags, FatHeads, shirts, jerseys, etc. with a 12 on it otherwise the consumer would be indifferent about it. Would their top selling jersey still be the number 12 without that exposure? Probably not. $5k isn't that much when you look at how popular it has become recently and I'll bet it has helped them make more money than it cost them.
LOL...A&M didn't trademark the number 12.
Seattle can let the phrase "12th Man" go continue to sell "flags, FatHeads, shirts, jerseys, etc."
And Wilson and Sherman are their top selling jerseys. "12" is #3.
Personally I would be surprised to see A&M try and gouge the Seahawks because it would be really bad PR for them. The Seahawks using the term doesn't impact the school in any meaningful way. If they tried to gouge the Seahawks they Seahawks would tell the media who would portray is as A&M trying to punish Seahawk fans.
They charge the Seahawks a fee to verify that they own and protect the copyright.
I don't know how I am playing the victim card. I really don't care about using the 12th man. Makes no difference to me.
Just don't try to convince me that it is about TA&M protecting their legacy. They only care about getting some money for it. That is my only point.
Odd that you say that in a thread where your fellow fans are spouting off about how the 12th man isn't A&M, but SEA. Sounds like quite a bit of harm to the actual owners, dontcha think?
The Seattle Seahawks and Texas A&M are not competition with each other. To Seahawks fan living in Tacoma, they probably don't give a lot of thought to the Aggies and I doubt folks in College Station much care about the Seahawks.
I don't think Seattle is currently make millions off "12th Man". I just browsed the team shop website and couldn't find the phrase anywhere.
Not leasing the name "12th Man" anymore wouldn't cost the Seahawks any money, nor would they have to change any of their traditions either. They can still sell the 12 jerseys. The can still raise the 12 flag. They can still refer to their fanbase as 12s.
Let the lease go, if for no other reason than to shut up this whole A&M crap that only makes trolls and lawyers happy.
Sorry Wiz, but this is total bullshit. Unless you also have an issue with your team trademarking the seahawk logo or the name "Seahawks", then you just sound like sour grapes. Your team didn't invent a picture of a seahawk, nor did they invent the word "seahawk". You have no issues with that, but you do with A&M for trademarking 12th man.
A&M sued to protect their trademark. They are charging for it because they can.
Give me an example of a trademark Seattle took out on a generic term they didn't invent and try to bully people that were using it long before that trademark and I'd be happy to disavow it. Good luck on that though. Doubt you will have any luck.You keep saying that, but don't appear to have any issues with any of the NFL trademarks your team holds.![]()
The meaning of the 12th man for the aggies and the Seahawks are quite different. The traditions behind it are night and day different. The traditions in the stands are entirely different. Both lump those as what it means to be a 12th man. Hell, I don't know anyone up here that calls themselves a 12th man, we are simply a 12 or the 12's. PERIOD. Trademark "home of the 12th man" as a phrase. No problem with that. It means something special and is a phrase that has been used for a long time. But taking just '12th man' when it is a generic term that has been used by many teams across many sports since long before your team ever used it is fucking crazy.And there is no difference in the way that Seattle wants to use it and the way that A&M does. We have a tradition of using it, and we trademarked it. In this thread you yourself have talked about the tradition of using this since the #12 was retired.
If you don't like that you have to pay to use something that someone else owns, that's fine. But stop trying to make it sound like everyone else is at fault.