tzorn10
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I thought the Bills used to use it too. Could be wrong.
Paul Allen should just buy the rights.
Paul Allen should just buy the rights.
Yeah, is that why they just sold more a couple years ago? Face it, it's a kickstarter and those who give money to an NFL team to renovate the stadium are suckers. Like they don't already get enough money with $100 ticket prices and $9 beer.
Enjoy your framed piece of recycling though![]()
I thought the Bills used to use it too. Could be wrong.
Paul Allen should just buy the rights.
Other teams may use the 12th man but I only see the 'Hawks making banners, t-shirts. etc. and making money off of it. Again, just pay up.
Hmm... you would think a town that lost the Sonics and almost the Seahawks would see the value in a community owned team.
Oh they aren't worried about paying it at all. It's only like 5k/year and they make millions off merchandise alone for it. It's a matter of principle. They trademark it in '90. That number had been retired and was already our tradition long before that. It's just stupid petty bullshit.
The whole 12th man thing regarding TA&M is a joke. If they really cared so much about protecting their vaunted tradition they wouldn't go around selling it off.
Other programs use it from HS through the pros. TA&M only threatened to sue the ones they could actually make money on. The didn't give fuckall about programs that didn't have deep pockets enough to pay for it.
It isn't about tradition. It is about money. It is a joke. Look for them to bump it up as much as they possibly can without having it actually going into the courts.
Yeah, is that why they just sold more a couple years ago? Face it, it's a kickstarter and those who give money to an NFL team to renovate the stadium are suckers. Like they don't already get enough money with $100 ticket prices and $9 beer.
Enjoy your framed piece of recycling though![]()
I see many Pack fans still bitter after what happened in the NFCC game. Your fanbase needs to keep singing "Let it go" and stop with the butthurt towards the city of Seattle. We have your teams number and you need to just "Let it go...., let it go...."
If "12th man" originated in Seattle, I am sure it wouldn't be ridiculous to you.
We have called ourselves the 12's for a lot longer than just this year. The number 12 without 'th man' has been used for years. They are interchangeable.
Yes, TAMU copyrighted that term in 1990 which was well AFTER our team had been using it. It was kind of a bitch move really given it wasn't unique to them, nor something they invented. The term "Home of the 12th man" may be part of their legacy and that's fine, but it's a generic term used in several sports that have 11 players on the field like soccer.
It's asinine the trademark was ever granted, but the proof our use of it doesn't hurt them is that they keep licensing it in the first place.
Now they want to cash in more on it. So much for the only reason they are holding that trademark is to protect the integrity of their brand. It seems integrity has a price and now that Seattle is cashing in on their form of the brand TAMU wants to put their hand out to grab some of it.
I hope they don't take it and do what they can to move past this. Use 12's or the extra man or any of the other terms that were offered instead when this came up many years ago. They can't put the genie back in the bottle no matter what they do.
Just let the 'Hawks buy off the patent(trademark) if needed. They are the ones who made this term famous. Seattle and the 12 man are forever linked.
Bills, colts, the infamous red skin 12th man video (google it if you never saw it, worst sports video of all time), all used it and before TAMU went crazy other teams used it at least to some extent in team marketing including the bears, packers, broncos and dolphins.
No way in hell TAMU sells those rights. Their tradition and use is an entirely different thing. They do have one of the most intense football traditions around. Just a shame they don't understand the difference between people taking their actual tradition and simply using a generic term for a different purpose.
So what? The entire reason Seattle pays for the rights to it is so they can make money off of it as well.
A few years ago the high school I went to was sued by Florida State because the high school was using their logo and name "The Seminoles", the latter not being an issue for them. Florida State walked away with a bunch of money from a district in a downward spiral and were required to replace athletic logos. That isn't exactly the outcome that benefits society the most but they protected their intangible property.
Here's a link.
IMO the Seahawks aren't being excessively charged for the whole ordeal and they make millions off of that relatively small expense. It economically benefits both A&M and Seattle so I don't really see the sour grapes aspect of it you do.
The whole 12th man thing regarding TA&M is a joke. If they really cared so much about protecting their vaunted tradition they wouldn't go around selling it off.
Other programs use it from HS through the pros. TA&M only threatened to sue the ones they could actually make money on. The didn't give fuckall about programs that didn't have deep pockets enough to pay for it.
It isn't about tradition. It is about money. It is a joke. Look for them to bump it up as much as they possibly can without having it actually going into the courts.
Florida State should be fucking ashamed of themselves for suing a high school.
It just proves my point that TA&M cares nothing about their legacy and only about money. They will push for as much as they can get without it having to actually go into the courts. Therefore I can't really sympathize them.