Hope Phil took some notes on how to build a D.

[63bears40]

Love Seattle's D. Big DBs seems to be the key.
Watching the game,(SB). It just looked like SEA. was playing w/ 7 LBs &4 D-linemen.
That D held the #1 O to 8 points.
W/ the game evolving to passing the ball. You have to cover the WRs. I think that is now more important than the pass rush.
SEA. D has their DBs winning at the line of scrimmage, which makes everything easier for the D . Pass rushers have more time to get to the QB. The D Line can focus on the run.
Lovie looked for CBs w/ good leaping ability . Safeties probably just as well.
Besides Earl Thomas taken in round 1. The rest of SEA. DBs were taken in the 5th round or later.
Just rambling here. But I think I would fired Tucker & hired SEA. DB coach as DC. Seems to know what he's doing.

 

[anotheridiot]

great defense always beats great offense, we have the quarterback whisperer and blew the money to buy a defense already.

And seattles base defense is called a cover three, that features man coverage with corners that start on the line of scrimmage, not 10 yards down the field. Maybe an elite quarterback will win next year. Odds on favorites are probably seattle and san francisco again, defense and cheap quarterbacks.

 

[NCChiFan]

I agree, find a way to sign Bennett. And he did try to draft a big Safety in Hardin, but it didn't pan out. Shea didn't pan out as a small but speedy DE either.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Hope Phil took some notes on how to build a D.

Easy. Plenty of PEDs and orient your philosophy around the realization that the NFL doesn't want more than 3 PIs called per game and you can mostly get away with it.

 

[leomaz]

It also took almost 4 years and some luck. I like the idea of bigger corners like Peanut. We will we what Phil has in store starting march 8.

 

[NCChiFan]

It would take 2-3 years of picks to put together a team like that, if you got real good at picking talent in the draft. Would need 3 big DB's we don't have, would need 2 NT's for a 3-4 we don't have, would need 2-3 more DE's we don't have and the jury is still our on our LB core outside of Briggs.


In fact, this is the problem we are facing right now. And on a side note, Seattle won't be able to keep that Defense together for long. They have Cap issues worst than the Bears and must spend a S-ton of money in a few years to re-sign Wilson.

 

[anotheridiot]

I agree, find a way to sign Bennett. And he did try to draft a big Safety in Hardin, but it didn't pan out. Shea didn't pan out as a small but speedy DE either.

He drafted a cornerback in Hardin and tried to turn him into a safety. He drafted a linebacker in shea and tried to turn him into a defensive end. He drafted an outside linebacker in Bostic and tried to make him an inside linebacker.

No more projects. If we get the same shit of drafting a big receiver to turn him into a cornerback, then we know Emery is not learning anything.

 

[anotheridiot]

It would take 2-3 years of picks to put together a team like that, if you got real good at picking talent in the draft. Would need 3 big DB's we don't have, would need 2 NT's for a 3-4 we don't have, would need 2-3 more DE's we don't have and the jury is still our on our LB core outside of Briggs.


In fact, this is the problem we are facing right now. And on a side note, Seattle won't be able to keep that Defense together for long. They have Cap issues worst than the Bears and must spend a S-ton of money in a few years to re-sign Wilson.

What issues? Their core is signed thru next year. Six of the starters were drafted after 2011, they are still on rookie deals. Avril was signed last off season to a multi year deal. They need to start extending some of these guys, but no way they cant compete for the superbowl for the next three seasons.

 

[richig07]

He drafted a cornerback in Hardin and tried to turn him into a safety. He drafted a linebacker in shea and tried to turn him into a defensive end. He drafted an outside linebacker in Bostic and tried to make him an inside linebacker.

No more projects. If we get the same shit of drafting a big receiver to turn him into a cornerback, then we know Emery is not learning anything.

He did not draft Bostic to play him in the inside. He drafted Bostic to play on the outside, and then the Bears were put in a position where they didn't have any other choice but to play him at MLB after Williams went down.

Shea was really his only "project".

 

[anotheridiot]

He did not draft Bostic to play him in the inside. He drafted Bostic to play on the outside, and then the Bears were put in a position where they didn't have any other choice but to play him at MLB after Williams went down.

Shea was really his only "project".

Hardin was a project, Evan fucking Rodriguez was a project mr know it all. Just watch closely at the draft, watch the position they played in college and how they are listed after they are drafted. He thinks players fit at different positions in the nfl game, when he drafts them for what they did at the position they played in college.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Hardin was a project, Evan fucking Rodriguez was a project mr know it all. Just watch closely at the draft, watch the position they played in college and how they are listed after they are drafted. He thinks players fit at different positions in the nfl game, when he drafts them for what they did at the position they played in college.

Moving a CB to safety when they hit the NFL is hardly unusual. It's common. And changing positions is hardly controversial as a practice. Probably the biggest "project" guy in the league is Belichick, and he is praised for it. There's nothing wrong with doing it. You want the players with the best attributes for a position playing that position. Urlacher was a project we all know close to home. Your criticism is very misguided in this case.

 

[NCChiFan]

What issues? Their core is signed thru next year. Six of the starters were drafted after 2011, they are still on rookie deals. Avril was signed last off season to a multi year deal. They need to start extending some of these guys, but no way they cant compete for the superbowl for the next three seasons.

Golden Tate, Breno Giacomini, Paul McQuistan, Michael Bennett, Clinton McDonald and Tony McDaniel are all UFA's. The Seahawks are looking at 1.6 million in cap space right now. Granted they could cut some guys and restructure to make room, like Sydney Rice or their MLB, but no way they can keep either Tate or Bennett. Will be interesting to see if Percy Harvin can last an entire year. They have to free up a Shit Ton of cap space after next year or they will lose Wilson.

 

[anotheridiot]

Golden Tate, Breno Giacomini, Paul McQuistan, Michael Bennett, Clinton McDonald and Tony McDaniel are all UFA's. The Seahawks are looking at 1.6 million in cap space right now. Granted they could cut some guys and restructure to make room, like Sydney Rice or their MLB, but no way they can keep either Tate or Bennett. Will be interesting to see if Percy Harvin can last an entire year. They have to free up a Shit Ton of cap space after next year or they will lose Wilson.

Just know Golden tate off that list, but Pete Carroll still has the college mentality and I doubt he wants to see all the same guys back. He gets more from less and will probably want to push draft picks into the starting lineup and keep the team evolving. That will keep the youthful exuberance they thrive on. Watching guys leave for more money that fit in their base defense of cover three is only gonna be a loss if they go to a cover three team in their division. I expect them to still be one of the youngest teams in the league as long as pete is the head coach.

 

[63bears40]

I agree, find a way to sign Bennett. And he did try to draft a big Safety in Hardin, but it didn't pan out. Shea didn't pan out as a small but speedy DE either.

The problem W/Hardin was he was CB in college . Never played safety. Learning a new position out of college on the fly is a tough thing to do.

 

[63bears40]

He drafted a cornerback in Hardin and tried to turn him into a safety. He drafted a linebacker in shea and tried to turn him into a defensive end. He drafted an outside linebacker in Bostic and tried to make him an inside linebacker.

No more projects. If we get the same shit of drafting a big receiver to turn him into a cornerback, then we know Emery is not learning anything.

LOL.

 

[63bears40]

It also took almost 4 years and some luck. I like the idea of bigger corners like Peanut. We will we what Phil has in store starting march 8.

Like our CBs, if Tillman is resigned. Would like our safeties to be be bigger and better though.

 

[63bears40]

It would take 2-3 years of picks to put together a team like that, if you got real good at picking talent in the draft. Would need 3 big DB's we don't have, would need 2 NT's for a 3-4 we don't have, would need 2-3 more DE's we don't have and the jury is still our on our LB core outside of Briggs.


In fact, this is the problem we are facing right now. And on a side note, Seattle won't be able to keep that Defense together for long. They have Cap issues worst than the Bears and must spend a S-ton of money in a few years to re-sign Wilson.

I don't think our D is unfix-able in 1 years time. The weakest link seems to be the safety position. Considering the D-line comes back healthy. A lot depends on how FA goes. Who we sign, who we don't. Hell if they cut Pep , they have a shot at both Johnson and Bennet in FA.
My biggest concern is the safety position right now. I think the D-line will get worked out.

 

[anotheridiot]

I don't think our D is unfix-able in 1 years time. The weakest link seems to be the safety position. Considering the D-line comes back healthy. A lot depends on how FA goes. Who we sign, who we don't. Hell if they cut Pep , they have a shot at both Johnson and Bennet in FA.
My biggest concern is the safety position right now. I think the D-line will get worked out.

I just cant keep blaming the safeties. Like I said before, Conte and Wright were considered one of the best young safety tandems in the league. I cant see them just getting all stupid and forgetting how to play.

To me its more of our safeties giving cushions, give them no problem getting off the line, even on the 5 yard line our cb's played on the goal line. That is the difference between having our cornerbacks and seattles cornerbacks in the cover 3. They were always on the receiver, knocking them off their routes, giving no free releases, there was no room to run those famous pick plays. Big corners playing 10 yards off the ball or big corners jambing the receiver off the line is the big difference and I am not convinced either one of ours can do that and not get beat every play. Doesnt jamming the receiver at the line also help the safeties? I cant believe it was all urlacher saving our safeties all these years. Maybe in our Hybrid defense we can use four linebackers but have one already back where urlacher kept running.

 

[leomaz]

our d-line was the concern last year

I don't think our D is unfix-able in 1 years time. The weakest link seems to be the safety position. Considering the D-line comes back healthy. A lot depends on how FA goes. Who we sign, who we don't. Hell if they cut Pep , they have a shot at both Johnson and Bennet in FA.
My biggest concern is the safety position right now. I think the D-line will get worked out.

The d-line has to get worked out. It is the most important part of the defense.....pressure, pressure, pressure....you can not go thru a season with out pressure. The safety position needs it. The cornerback position needs it. The linebacking position needs it. If you go back and watch the Detroit game at Soldier Field last season. Tell me how many times Matt Stafford moved from his setup spot. I beluve it was less than 2 times.

 

[NCChiFan]

I just cant keep blaming the safeties. Like I said before, Conte and Wright were considered one of the best young safety tandems in the league. I cant see them just getting all stupid and forgetting how to play.

To me its more of our safeties giving cushions, give them no problem getting off the line, even on the 5 yard line our cb's played on the goal line. That is the difference between having our cornerbacks and seattles cornerbacks in the cover 3. They were always on the receiver, knocking them off their routes, giving no free releases, there was no room to run those famous pick plays. Big corners playing 10 yards off the ball or big corners jambing the receiver off the line is the big difference and I am not convinced either one of ours can do that and not get beat every play. Doesnt jamming the receiver at the line also help the safeties? I cant believe it was all urlacher saving our safeties all these years. Maybe in our Hybrid defense we can use four linebackers but have one already back where urlacher kept running.

I agree, what hurt our Safeties the most were all the injuries right up the gut, in front of them. All the middle D linemen, all the middle linebackers, yikes.