Darrell Green Fan
The Voice of Reason
I hate the fact that I can't go back and edit a post a few minutes later. Dang, putting a muzzle on me is torture, torture I tell 'ya
I was a big fan of the Cousins pick too so I'm no hater. But I will never believe that a change is needed after week 6. Again they have too much invested in RGIII. To bail after 36 games, half of which were very good games for Griff, is a panic move, period.
As for "Bob" sure he may have been called that when he was 14 but make no mistake, it's a slur now. The only time I"ve seen it used is proceeding critical comments about Griffin. Find me posts where it was used in a pro-Griffin context and I'll think about reconsidering.
Griffin looked good in an offense tailored to his skill set. He looked average at best in a more traditional offense. I have never said that Cousins is the answer, but if you dont have questions as to if griffin can ever be more than an option QB based on what we have seen, then I would suggest getting the homer glasses cleaned.
Where in the world would you get the idea that I have no questions as to Griffin being the franchise? I've only been here a few weeks but I've made it plainly clear he has questions, he has clear things he needs to improve upon, and that anyone who is concerned about the price of the trade vs the value we got has a legit point. I've said all those things, so there is no homer glasses fogging up my view.
Griffin has a LOT of improving to do with his pocket passing skillset to be what we really need him to be - worth the price we paid. That's undeniable, and I'd be happy to delineate all the detailed specifics if you want to play QB Coach. What's debatable, is can/will he make those improvements. That's the crux of the discussion. Anyone who thinks they already have that final answer has a different set of blinders on.
What the heck is a Cousins apologist, someone that questions whether Griffin is capable? What a turn of phrase that is. dad has been telling us for near a year that Cousins sucks because he has bad stats in three games but we need to give Griffin more time and we need to stop being haters.
First of all and there is ZERO arguing this, there has never been a competition for the QB job the last three years Griffin was announced the starter before they ever hit the field. If there was an open competition Cousins probably would have one during their first training camp and certainly this years based solely on what we have seen in training camp. We as fans have nothing else to go by. Once again Gruden has said since he got here that Griffin is the number one QB.
Now I am not advocating for Cousins to be the starter. I get it, the team has a lot invested in Griffin and they want to give him a chance. Gruden says he believes that Griffin has more of an upside. I won't argue that.
dad started this thread out by saying not enough people were behind Griffin then telling us we needed to be patient and stop being haters etc. etc. Then he detailed how Cousins was nothing more than a back up which he proved in three games at the end of the year. Don't get me wrong, I like dad, he has been a part of the forums since I have been involved. I even respect him for going to bat for his guys. Why people are trying to justify how good Griffin is by trashing Cousins mystifies me.
Here is what we know, Griffins first year he was better than we could imagine, year 2 was a big let down for many reasons. In two days he'll go on the field and we'll see what he has. Lets wait and see what happens, this has been played out on the forum since last year. The only place we are going to find who has what is on the field and there isn't a QB on the team that can stand on their laurels from last year.
KSD... the you was a metaphorical you. Not directed at you or and other person in particular. I agree that no one can say for sure that Griffin wont some day get it. But by the same token, those blinders also apply for those that think he will just get it and be worth the price we paid. Most gambling men would actually say the odds are against him simply for the fact that for the deal to be worth it, He would need to at least equal what Eli has done if not surpass it considering that before we made the deal to get Griffin, the Giants deal to get Manning was the largest draft deal ever made for a QB.
Fair enough, and no offense taken at being called "metaphorical"
My position on RGIII is simple. He has mountains of potential, he works hard and he's smart, but he has some flaws that drive me crazy, and he has a long way to go to become a good pocket passer. Early signs of his development as a pocket passer are not encouraging, its not coming naturally to him. I think the light can come on for him, I hope the light does come on for him, but I am not convinced it will come on for him. And we most definitely need it to come on for him, or else the trade will have been a swing and a miss.
I just remember some of the stretches of brilliant, flawless play last year, especially vs our NCFE rivals, and the first 10 minutes vs the Seahawks, and I am hopeful he can get back to that level of play... no matter how they have to tailor the offense to his skills. He had some teams grasping at straws that year, I hope he gets back there.
Not convinced he will... just hopeful. Really it comes down to how good of a coach is Gruden?
Fair enough, and no offense taken at being called "metaphorical"
My position on RGIII is simple. He has mountains of potential, he works hard and he's smart, but he has some flaws that drive me crazy, and he has a long way to go to become a good pocket passer. Early signs of his development as a pocket passer are not encouraging, its not coming naturally to him. I think the light can come on for him, I hope the light does come on for him, but I am not convinced it will come on for him. And we most definitely need it to come on for him, or else the trade will have been a swing and a miss.
I just remember some of the stretches of brilliant, flawless play last year, especially vs our NCFE rivals, and the first 10 minutes vs the Seahawks, and I am hopeful he can get back to that level of play... no matter how they have to tailor the offense to his skills. He had some teams grasping at straws that year, I hope he gets back there.
Not convinced he will... just hopeful. Really it comes down to how good of a coach is Gruden?
Fair enough, and no offense taken at being called "metaphorical"
My position on RGIII is simple. He has mountains of potential, he works hard and he's smart, but he has some flaws that drive me crazy, and he has a long way to go to become a good pocket passer. Early signs of his development as a pocket passer are not encouraging, its not coming naturally to him. I think the light can come on for him, I hope the light does come on for him, but I am not convinced it will come on for him. And we most definitely need it to come on for him, or else the trade will have been a swing and a miss.
I just remember some of the stretches of brilliant, flawless play last year, especially vs our NCFE rivals, and the first 10 minutes vs the Seahawks, and I am hopeful he can get back to that level of play... no matter how they have to tailor the offense to his skills. He had some teams grasping at straws that year, I hope he gets back there.
Not convinced he will... just hopeful. Really it comes down to how good of a coach is Gruden?