Greg Cosell

[vancelot23]

Talks about the Bengals draft. He liked Zeitler better than DeCastro and loves the WRs, comparing Sanu to Colston. He also likes Iloka a lot.

Cosell Talks: 2012 NFL Draft Post-Mortem 2 : NFL Films Blog

 

[cincygrad]

I loved the Zeitler pick - Still do. I like his pedigree (being from Wisconsin) and his experience. I think it's funny how many of our fans were crying about DeCastro - Zeitler is going to be a good one.

 

[flamingrey]

I made mention of this in another thread as well, but Cosell believes Zeitler is "more athletic and more complete" than DeCastro. As we all know, in just about any sport, being more athletic or complete doesn't make you BETTER than a player that is flat out more talented. I wouldn't take from that piece that Cosell thinks Zeitler is BETTER than DeCastro.

 

[flamingrey]

I loved the Zeitler pick - Still do. I like his pedigree (being from Wisconsin) and his experience. I think it's funny how many of our fans were crying about DeCastro - Zeitler is going to be a good one.

Zeitler may be a fine addition and he may even end up better than DeCastro, but DeCastro was a higher rated guard, and we traded down and got the 2nd best guard in the draft with that same pick. There was plenty of reason to complain at the time.

 

[cincygrad]

I think saying he was the "more complete guard prospect" very much suggests that Cosel believes Zeitler to be the better NFL prospect.

 

[cincygrad]

I think saying he was the "more complete guard prospect" very much suggests that Cosel believes Zeitler to be the better NFL prospect.

Not that it matters really..... All of these guys hit on some and miss on others.

 

[futballiscool]

I think saying he was the "more complete guard prospect" very much suggests that Cosel believes Zeitler to be the better NFL prospect.

Thurman Thomas was a more complete RB than Barry Sanders. Magic Johnson a more complete Guard than Michael Jordan..

not to get into semantics, but I agree with FR that "more complete" doesn't necessarily mean better..

just as an even more general football example I'll take the all world cover corner over the "more complete" CB who is good in coverage and against the run but great at neither.

 

[flamingrey]

In his mock, Cosell makes almost the exact same statement, but also adds "Zeitler was not as purely physical and nasty as DeCastro, but I saw a more athletic and complete OG".

Given that, I believe Cosell's comments on both players were more a statement of fact than a judgement of who the better player/prospect is.

Futball is on the money.

 

[vancelot23]

He said numerous times on Twitter that his comments weren't meant as a prediction, just commentary on what he saw on tape. Take them as you please, I merely meant to show that Cosell did think highly of our draft. I liked DeCastro better as well, but it's close enough that Zeitler + Thompson > DeCastro alone.

 

[Be Weary of Query]

He also states in the article that Zeitler (re: zone blocking scheme) is an "an excellent fit for the Bengals."

And isn't that what we have killed the Bengals for in the past? Picking the shiniest toy on the shelf even if it doesn't mesh with their team philosophy?

*makes mental note that the 'team philosophy' aspect of that statement is rife for ridicule and has elicited a Pavlovian type response in many members of this site*

*initiates seizure precautions*

Folks...it's okay to get mildly excited about what the team has potentially done for the immediate and long term future.

 

[Cincyfan78]

He also states in the article that Zeitler (re: zone blocking scheme) is an "an excellent fit for the Bengals."

And isn't that what we have killed the Bengals for in the past? Picking the shiniest toy on the shelf even if it doesn't mesh with their team philosophy?

*makes mental note that the 'team philosophy' aspect of that statement is rife for ridicule and has elicited a Pavlovian type response in many members of this site*

*initiates seizure precautions*

Folks...it's okay to get mildly excited about what the team has potentially done for the immediate and long term future.

Yep. Exactly right. I think they knew they could move back and still get their guy because DeCastro was going to be the first guard off the board, and the next guy everyone kept talking about was Glenn.

I read several different articles the day after that talked about the pick being the best fit for the Bengals style of offense. Also, that DeCastro and Zeitler were rated very closely, but the Bengals gave the edge to Zeitler because he was a better run blocker than DeCastro. The Bengals felt that with the WC offense, quick releases, and the ability to protect Dalton pretty well last year, they needed more of a run-oriented guard to upgrade their short yardarge running game, as well as the running game in general to the right side of the line. Something they really struggled with even when Williams was healthy this year, but more so once he was lost to injury.

 

[jwil007]

anyone heard from Peter "Punk Ass" King???? quiet as hell in his office about Bengal talk...So at the 1st bad thing that happens to us or that we do we will hear from this MOFO....

Thx Cosell.... Now we have to prove it on the field!

 

[jwil007]

They will always be compared...It is what it is...Both are good prospects and both will help their teams....For us we need him in sync with the other lineman to improve this damn running game that is being blamed on Bernard Scott and CB....Although CB wasnt his best and neither was Bernard MANY and I say MANY of the run game problems in 2011 were Oline related.....

 

[DanBengalfan]

yea, we really had nothing to go on, a few experts said Decastro was better, and a bunch of other experts cheated off their paper.
I for one found this confusing.
Now all the "experts" are lauding the Zeitler pick.
Not sure I really trust the "experts" at this point.

 

[flamingrey]

He also states in the article that Zeitler (re: zone blocking scheme) is an "an excellent fit for the Bengals."

And isn't that what we have killed the Bengals for in the past? Picking the shiniest toy on the shelf even if it doesn't mesh with their team philosophy?

*makes mental note that the 'team philosophy' aspect of that statement is rife for ridicule and has elicited a Pavlovian type response in many members of this site*

*initiates seizure precautions*

Folks...it's okay to get mildly excited about what the team has potentially done for the immediate and long term future.

I'm not sure where you read that DeCastro would not have meshed with the team philosophy. In fact, Cosell stated in his mock, "he’s the pick for a Bengals offense that needs to run the ball effectively to achieve consistency" and "...with Andy Dalton at quarterback, a balanced, efficient offense is a necessity." I'm not seeing the suggestion that he wouldn't have fit our "philosophy".

Furthermore, last season, a player with Julio Jones skillset was a better fit for the Bengals' offense, but I don't think anyone can say Green was the better pick. I'll take the better player. Worry about everything else later.

Additionally, wasn't everyone raving about the Bengals selecting BPA throughout the draft? Whatever happened to that philosophy, or do we only apply it when Hobson tells us to?

As for your last statement, the purpose of a forum is to discuss all aspects of the team, good and bad. If you choose to revel in only the good and the potential, then good for you, nobody is stopping you, but others may decide to recognize and discuss the bad. And just because people question some of the decisions by the Bengals, it doesn't mean they don't see or have excitement about the potential.

 

[cincygrad]

Why was Jones a better fit for our team? He had better 40 speed and worse hands than Green. How does that better fit a West Coast offense?

BPA is a good idea.... But if you can trade a pick for more assets and pick up a guy that you have an equally (or close) rating on, then you should probably do it.

 

[Tubbs1518]

He is going to say Jones "was a better blocker" though I read many scouting reports that said blocking was a weakness for Jones. Jones wasn't even a top 10 pick until after the combine.

 

[flamingrey]

Why was Jones a better fit for our team? He had better 40 speed and worse hands than Green. How does that better fit a West Coast offense?

BPA is a good idea.... But if you can trade a pick for more assets and pick up a guy that you have an equally (or close) rating on, then you should probably do it.

Generally, his style of play fits better in the WCO. He's more a possession, over-the-middle type of player. More physical and better blocker. All of that epitomizes dink-and-dunk offense type of player. Green was more a stretch the field kind of guy, and I don't think anyone can argue Jones would have been a better fit in this offense.

Hindsight is 20/20. They had no idea they would be able to pick up Thompson(?) late in the 3rd round. It just worked out that way. With that said, we're still at least 2-3 years early in determining if it was the right move.

 

[cincygrad]

Generally, his style of play fits better in the WCO. He's more a possession, over-the-middle type of player. More physical and better blocker. All of that epitomizes dink-and-dunk offense type of player. Green was more a stretch the field kind of guy, and I don't think anyone can argue Jones would have been a better fit in this offense.

Hindsight is 20/20. They had no idea they would be able to pick up Thompson(?) late in the 3rd round. It just worked out that way. With that said, we're still at least 2-3 years early in determining if it was the right move.

The "possession, over-the-middle type of player" just put up a YPC of 17.8 in his rookie year..... Yes, he's the new Hines Ward for sure.

 

[flamingrey]

That's fine that he put up 17.8 ypc. It's actually not surprising considering he's very versatile and Atlanta's offense is vertically dynamic with a very good QB. But that doesn't negate the fact that his skillset is still very well suited for the "possession, over-middle-type" role.