Greatest basketball team ever assembled….

[logic]

What the … I agree with you

Sorry, read it backwards. Though you said do you have any common sense--LOL

 

[Stakesarehigh]

From MJ himself

Would Michael Jordan Have Been As Good In An NBA Era With Zone Defense? spoke passionately.,Rules author reported in 2001.



"Well, the The Basketball Network raised an interesting point and sparked conversation recently by unearthing reporting from longtime Chicago Bulls beat reporter Sam Smith that Michael Jordan was adamantly opposed to the inclusion of zone defenses. "Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did," the Jordan Rules author reported in 2001."

 

[Wamu]

Cause he does it every single game.<----- All
Time greats didn’t flop like him to seek attention so he can get up and make it look like he finished a game after a “hard” foul lol

Okay thanks for the laugh. How many of his games have you watched this season, less than five?

I've been following his career since his freshman year in high school. The school he went to was about 15/20 minutes away from my house.

So for 20+ years I've seen haters like you complain about things LeBron does on the court. While at the same time completely ignoring flopping goes back decades and the fella you hate-hate-hate soooooo much isn't the only current NBAer that suffers from flopitis.

You mentioned all time greats that didn't/don't flop...now remember technically an all time great is any former player in the HOF (or any current player(s) that are locks for HOF). So here are a few players that were/are in fact floppers. Bet you got no problem with any of these players.

Manu Ginobili, CP3, Reggie Miller, Karl Malone (all I did was type in- biggest floppers in NBA history & those were a few names mentioned)

It's hypocritical to only call out one player.

 

[rmilia1]

You can guard "slashers" like Jordan more effectively in today's game because of the way the defense can rotate. Harden is a lame example, one he shot 13 2s a game when he was at peak "foul merchant" status, 2 someone like Russ would be a better example in athleticism and style and only once did Russ average 10 free throws attempted a game.

The Jordan lovers constantly want to invent reasons why MJ got a substantially more favorable whistle than everyone else.

Yeah Russ is a pretty accurate comp for MJ

Rid obviously a much much better passer but MJ was bigger with a better mid range

Other than that their games are similar

Neither could really shoot consistently outside 18 feet and depended on their athleticism for pretty much everything

Ds would treat MJ in much the same way they treated Russ but MJ would be less likely to make them pay for it with his playmaking than Russ was

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

From MJ himself

Would Michael Jordan Have Been As Good In An NBA Era With Zone Defense? spoke passionately.,Rules author reported in 2001.



"Well, the The Basketball Network raised an interesting point and sparked conversation recently by unearthing reporting from longtime Chicago Bulls beat reporter Sam Smith that Michael Jordan was adamantly opposed to the inclusion of zone defenses. "Jordan was making an impassioned plea before the competition committee that had gathered to consider rules changes to enliven the NBA game. Jordan spoke passionately. If teams were able to play zone defenses, he said, he never would have had the career he did," the Jordan Rules author reported in 2001."

Firstly, Jordan said this under the impression that the NBA would allow for true zones, not the phony zones we see in the NBA thanks to the defensive three second rule.

Secondly, two decades worth of track records for the NBA's so-called "zone defenses" have produced zero evidence that it makes scoring more difficult for perimeter players or more difficult in general. Guys like Wade, Giannis, Westbrook, etc have averaged 30 while having less of an offensive repertoire than MJ did. DeRozan has multiple seasons in the high 20s while having about 65% of Jordan's ability. An unathletic sloth like Doncic has been averaging around 30 so far.

Lastly, this is a second-hand "quote" from a writer who's always had an agenda at making Jordan look bad, so it should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

Yeah Russ is a pretty accurate comp for MJ

Rid obviously a much much better passer but MJ was bigger with a better mid range

Other than that their games are similar

Neither could really shoot consistently outside 18 feet and depended on their athleticism for pretty much everything

Ds would treat MJ in much the same way they treated Russ but MJ would be less likely to make them pay for it with his playmaking than Russ was

I lost brain cells reading this post.

Jordan as a 40 year-old shell of himself- with none of his quickness or explosiveness and zero lift on his jumpshot- was able to shoot 42% on all shots outside 0-3 feet, which is better than what Westbrook shot in his prime. And for the record, that was against zone defenses.

And as I said to Stakesarehigh, guys with much less of a repertoire have averaged or are currently averaging over 30 against these so-called super advanced zone defenses.

Also, the new all-time leader in total points is a guy whose always had a mediocre jumpshot. Clearly, these defenses aren't as tough as this generation of fans likes to claim.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

I lost brain cells reading this post.

Jordan as a 40 year-old shell of himself- with none of his quickness or explosiveness and zero lift on his jumpshot- was able to shoot 42% on all shots outside 0-3 feet, which is better than what Westbrook shot in his prime. And for the record, that was against zone defenses.

And as I said to Stakesarehigh, guys with much less of a repertoire have averaged or are currently averaging over 30 against these so-called super advanced zone defenses.

Also, the new all-time leader in total points is a guy whose always had a mediocre jumpshot. Clearly, these defenses aren't as tough as this generation of fans likes to claim.

So the answer is no, you don't watch now

Thanks

 

[trojanfan12]

I lost brain cells reading this post.

It wasn't the post that did that.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

It wasn't the post that did that.

Oh yes it was.

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Lebron is a Mediocre shooter

Lebron from 3 35%
MJ 33%

Lebron from 2 55%
MJ 51

 

[BigFin]

One of my favorite conspiracy theories is that Magic never had HIV/AIDS.

 

[Albuquerque Rams]

One of my favorite conspiracy theories is that Magic never had HIV/AIDS.

Well he's never had AIDS, that's for sure. If he had, it's doubtful he'd still be with us 33 years after finding out he has HIV.

 

[chappee11]

One of my favorite conspiracy theories is that Magic never had HIV/AIDS.

One of my favorite conspiracy theories is that he got it from sex with a woman.

 

[trojanfan12]

Oh yes it was.

 

[chappee11]

Lebron is a Mediocre shooter

Lebron from 3 35%
MJ 33%

Lebron from 2 55%
MJ 51

Different eras. Different defenses. Different strategies. The game wasn’t about how many 3’s every team could shoot in Jordan’s day. Jordan also took a lot of mid-range jumpers that they don’t even attempt anymore. That probably hurts his 2PT%. Lebron having the higher 3PT% is noteworthy, though.

 

[trojanfan12]

Different eras. Different defenses. Different strategies. The game wasn’t about how many 3’s every team could shoot in Jordan’s day. Jordan also took a lot of mid-range jumpers that they don’t even attempt anymore. That probably hurts his 2PT%. Lebron having the higher 3PT% is noteworthy, though.

The GOAT debate, while fun, will always be meaningless. For one thing, the game changes and evolves from era to era and not all players play the game the same way.

For example...The Lebron/MJ comparison is kind of dumb because their games are so different. Lebron's compares much more favorably to Magic than MJ. The best comparison for MJ would be Kobe.

Who one favors in the comparisons depends on what type of game they prefer. Personally, I prefer players who like to share the ball, get their teammates going, yet still score when they need to. So, I prefer Magic and Lebron's games.

Someone who prefers a player who is absolutely relentless and would dunk on his own Grandma if she was between him and the basket, you're going to favor MJ and Kobe.

 

[msgkings322]

Different eras. Different defenses. Different strategies. The game wasn’t about how many 3’s every team could shoot in Jordan’s day. Jordan also took a lot of mid-range jumpers that they don’t even attempt anymore. That probably hurts his 2PT%. Lebron having the higher 3PT% is noteworthy, though.

It's one of a significant number of things LeBron was/is better at than Jordan

 

[rmilia1]

I lost brain cells reading this post.

Jordan as a 40 year-old shell of himself- with none of his quickness or explosiveness and zero lift on his jumpshot- was able to shoot 42% on all shots outside 0-3 feet, which is better than what Westbrook shot in his prime. And for the record, that was against zone defenses.

And as I said to Stakesarehigh, guys with much less of a repertoire have averaged or are currently averaging over 30 against these so-called super advanced zone defenses.

Also, the new all-time leader in total points is a guy whose always had a mediocre jumpshot. Clearly, these defenses aren't as tough as this generation of fans likes to claim.

MJ at 40 was a much better shooter than MJ at 30 because he had to be

But he still was not a good shooter

He was still just a volume shooter averaging 20-21 shots per game on 42% shooting

I know most guys who fell in love with the game watching MJ can't see him for what he was and that's fine

No skin off my back. The guy was still great but he played in the perfect era for his skill set against the perfect people to succeed against. An entire decade bereft of any other top 10 all time players who were in their prime, directly after the 2 players who saved the league left if leaving a void for someone to fill right as the league entered its most popular

It was the perfect confluence of events and MJ to his credit capitalized beautifully

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Different eras. Different defenses. Different strategies. The game wasn’t about how many 3’s every team could shoot in Jordan’s day. Jordan also took a lot of mid-range jumpers that they don’t even attempt anymore. That probably hurts his 2PT%. Lebron having the higher 3PT% is noteworthy, though.

I'm fine with saying they're equal from a shooting standpoint but to knock Lebron as a mediocre shooter is hilarious to me.

Neither are Ray Allen or Reggie Miller, Steph but obviously they do many other things substantially better.

 

[BigFin]

There’s reason to believe Magic never had HIV. The theory is the government paid him a gargantuan sum of money to say that he had HIV to give those with HIV hope for living, because it was considered a death sentence.

Some interesting things to consider:

1. He came back from his illness well heavier than before.
2. Nobody ever accused him, that we know of, of giving them HIV.
3. He’s worth over $1B right now after making $25M during his career. And that’d be cut in half after agents and taxes are paid. And I’m sure he made good money through sponsorships, but his estimated worth is at $1.6B when I searched.
4. Doctors later said they can’t even detect HIV in his body. It dropped to “undetectable levels”. Maybe there’s a good reason for that.

It’s fun to think about.