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[DanBengalfan]

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[DanBengalfan]

positive shit about AJ Mac

Alabama's Nick Saban shrugs off AJ McCarron comments - NFL.com

 

[bengaldoug]

positive shit about AJ Mac

Alabama's Nick Saban shrugs off AJ McCarron comments - NFL.com

Well done by Saban. He gave support without antagonizing AJ's detractors. Nobody really know what's going to happen with any of these QBs now. We'll find out what we have when camp starts and we see him on the field in game action at NFL speed.

 

[Cincyfan78]

History is not on his side.

In the last 10 years, 72 QB's were taken in the 4th round or later.

Of those, the best of the best, the top 6 QB's in terms of Pro Football's career approx value, are:


1.Matt Cassell (44)
2.Ryan Fitzpatrick (44)
3.Kyle Orton (34)
4.Derek Anderson (20)
5.Brad Smith (17)
6.Tyler Thigpen (10)


Murderer's row, right there. He's more likely to be Derek Anderson than Tom Brady.

 

[DanBengalfan]

History is not on his side.

In the last 10 years, 72 QB's were taken in the 4th round or later.

Of those, the best of the best, the top 6 QB's in terms of Pro Football's career approx value, are:


1.Matt Cassell (44)
2.Ryan Fitzpatrick (44)
3.Kyle Orton (34)
4.Derek Anderson (20)
5.Brad Smith (17)
6.Tyler Thigpen (10)


Murderer's row, right there. He's more likely to be Derek Anderson than Tom Brady.

and still better than Andy Dalton.

 

[bengaldoug]

History is not on his side.

In the last 10 years, 72 QB's were taken in the 4th round or later.

Of those, the best of the best, the top 6 QB's in terms of Pro Football's career approx value, are:


1.Matt Cassell (44)
2.Ryan Fitzpatrick (44)
3.Kyle Orton (34)
4.Derek Anderson (20)
5.Brad Smith (17)
6.Tyler Thigpen (10)


Murderer's row, right there. He's more likely to be Derek Anderson than Tom Brady.

A sobering list, to be sure.........

 

[cincygrad]

To be fair, Tony Romo should be on that list because he was technically taken after the 4th round.

I'm not sure that improves the list all that much.

 

[cincygrad]

Nevermind..... Romo came out in 2003. He's been in the league for over a decade.

 

[Cincyfan78]

and still better than Andy Dalton.

Maybe, but the consensus on Dalton was a 2nd round pick.

AJ wasn't going to go that high.

Take out of that what you will.

I'm not defending Dalton, I'm just stating that anyone thinking that

A: AJ is competing with Dalton is lying to themselves
B: That AJ is, in fact, going to be better than Dalton, the history doesn't exactly back that up, either.

Personally, I would like to have drafted a Murray or Mettenburger, but it is what it is. We'll see if the new focus on running the ball, and limiting Dalton's attempts doesn't help him reduce his turnovers and help him be a bit more efficient. Only time will tell.

 

[Cincyfan78]

A sobering list, to be sure.........

No doubt, and I bet you with Cassell, most of his value was the year he was with N.E.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Nevermind..... Romo came out in 2003. He's been in the league for over a decade.

Even if you want to include him, and Brady, the list is not strong. You are going to end up with more Derek Andersons than Tom Brady's or Tony Romo's.

Though, really, isn't Dalton just a younger version of Romo? I mean, clearly Romo is a step above, but they win in the regular season (though not lately for Dallas) and flop in the playoffs? LOL

 

[kramer1]

Maybe, but the consensus on Dalton was a 2nd round pick.

AJ wasn't going to go that high.

Take out of that what you will.

I'm not defending Dalton, I'm just stating that anyone thinking that

A: AJ is competing with Dalton is lying to themselves
B: That AJ is, in fact, going to be better than Dalton, the history doesn't exactly back that up, either.

Personally, I would like to have drafted a Murray or Mettenburger, but it is what it is. We'll see if the new focus on running the ball, and limiting Dalton's attempts doesn't help him reduce his turnovers and help him be a bit more efficient. Only time will tell.

Running the ball more will not make Andy's arm stronger. Running the ball more will not cure him from being a mental midget. We've seen him for 3 years. We know exactly what we have. He is not an NFL caliber starting QB for a team with aspirations of post season success. He's a transition piece. He's a Ryan Fitzpatrick. That's all he'll ever be.

 

[DanBengalfan]

If Dalton were in this draft, after his college experience, he would have most likely been drafted after or similarly to AJ Mac. AJ Mac had a better college career. this draft and that one, like apples and oranges.

 

[kramer1]

If Dalton were in this draft, after his college experience, he would have most likely been drafted after or similarly to AJ Mac. AJ Mac had a better college career. this draft and that one, like apples and oranges.

McCarron is the better QB right now. Andy won his 1st year. AJ could do just the same. He's bigger, stronger, faster. He has post season success and played tougher competition. There's really no comparison.

We'll probably sign Dalton to a 7 year, 100 million dollar extension.

 

[DanBengalfan]

McCarron is the better QB right now. Andy won his 1st year. AJ could do just the same. He's bigger, stronger, faster. He has post season success and played tougher competition. There's really no comparison.

We'll probably sign Dalton to a 7 year, 100 million dollar extension.

the only way we sign Dalton to such a contract is if he proves himself invaluable.
based on prior experience we'll probably just let AJ ride teh bench and learn the playbook in 2014 (unless someone gets injured, and there might need to be 2 QBs go down)
AJ Mac is the QB of the future here, no logical person can dispute that, unless we draft another QB next season. Which would mean we went 4-12 or some shit.

 

[Cincyfan78]

the only way we sign Dalton to such a contract is if he proves himself invaluable.
based on prior experience we'll probably just let AJ ride teh bench and learn the playbook in 2014 (unless someone gets injured, and there might need to be 2 QBs go down)
AJ Mac is the QB of the future here, no logical person can dispute that, unless we draft another QB next season. Which would mean we went 4-12 or some shit.

You are thinking like a rational human being.

The Bengals are going to re-sign him. Take it to the bank. Buy a jersey of #14, because he's not going anywhere.

 

[DanBengalfan]

You are thinking like a rational human being.

The Bengals are going to re-sign him. Take it to the bank. Buy a jersey of #14, because he's not going anywhere.

some different circumstances, but just like Carson didn't go anywhere.
just like we didn't let Boomer retire a year early
just like we held on to shake and blake an extra year before moving on

Bengals don't spend money frivolously.

 

[cincygrad]

I think if Dalton wants to stay in Cincinnati, he is going to have to take less money than his agent wants..... Barring a postseason run - which I think we're all aware is unlikely to happen - Dalton has absolutely no leverage. And Mike Brown will have the fans on his side. Our fans won't want Mike to overpay a guy that keeps shitting the bed in big games. Now that AJ McCarron is on the roster, Mike will play hardball.

I'm not saying that AJ is good or will be good..... But he's a great poker chip for negotiations with Dalton. And it only cost a 5th round pick.

 

[Cincyfan78]

some different circumstances, but just like Carson didn't go anywhere.
just like we didn't let Boomer retire a year early
just like we held on to shake and blake an extra year before moving on

Bengals don't spend money frivolously.

Carson wanted to be traded. Not even close to the same thing. He also had a knee issue, an elbow issue, and was still under contract. It's not like he left because he was a F/A. He retired (not really, but sat out). Andy's play as a rookie QB made him expendable/tradable.

Boomer was old, and close to retirment anyway. Again, not the same thing AND the team wasn't winning anyway (despite a solid finish his last year) in the 90's. They sucked.

Jeff Blake was a journey man QB. People love to remember his deep ball, and how he came in out of nowhwere, but the fact remains, after a streak, he didn't do much, and never was able to latch on anywhere else.


Dalton has more leverage than any of these 3 QB's.

Again, I'm not saying I wouldn't mind seeing some improvement, some other QB pushing him, but if anyone thinks that AJ was the answer in the 5th round, you're lying to yourself. If the Bengals wanted to push him, they would have drafted a much higher rated QB earlier in the draft as a messege. They didn't.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I think if Dalton wants to stay in Cincinnati, he is going to have to take less money than his agent wants..... Barring a postseason run - which I think we're all aware is unlikely to happen - Dalton has absolutely no leverage. And Mike Brown will have the fans on his side. Our fans won't want Mike to overpay a guy that keeps shitting the bed in big games. Now that AJ McCarron is on the roster, Mike will play hardball.

I'm not saying that AJ is good or will be good..... But he's a great poker chip for negotiations with Dalton. And it only cost a 5th round pick.

If you are banking on AJ providing the team leverage...wow.

No offense, but AJ doesn't offer much more than Dalton. Period. As I said, if the Bengals wanted a real insurance policy, they would have drafted a much higher rated QB earlier in the draft. They didn't.