Giant Post Mortem Thread

[j_y19]

What is this guys problem? Of course it was a bad throw and should have never been thrown. Most interceptions are. What is he trying to prove? That cousins is treated differently than Robert? Really? How many starts does Robert have and how many does KC have? When the are equal, then let's compare and if KC is still making these mistakes I can promise you he will be completely eviscerated by all, including me. But the reality is if KC continues to play this way, he will never get near Robert's starts. So who really got special treatment?

 

[Caliskinsfan]

What is this guys problem? Of course it was a bad throw and should have never been thrown. Most interceptions are. What is he trying to prove? That cousins is treated differently than Robert? Really? How many starts does Robert have and how many does KC have? When the are equal, then let's compare and if KC is still making these mistakes I can promise you he will be completely eviscerated by all, including me. But the reality is if KC continues to play this way, he will never get near Robert's starts. So who really got special treatment?

I don't get the outrage here from you at all. Bullock is analyzing film. He shows good and bad plays all the time. From all players. of course there is going to be negative film from Kirk this past game. He was awful.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Here's Bullocks response.

 

[Stymietee]

This comment is directed to a post about JJ Watt but the same is true for any teams performance.

Unless that team is led by the player who's name shall not be mentioned here!

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Unless that team is led by the player who's name shall not be mentioned here!

Lots of fans everywhere equate wins to one player too much. Usually that's the QB. Too much praise, too much blame.

 

[Dexter's Better]

Why can't it be a great play by a good Defensive Back? Guess what -- they get paid too. In fact, Prince was on NFL Radio (SiriusXM) and said that on the interception he recognized the play and jumped the route.

It was good play by the Defense... All 3 QB's on our Roster would have thrown a pick there.

 

[j_y19]

I don't get the outrage here from you at all. Bullock is analyzing film. He shows good and bad plays all the time. From all players. of course there is going to be negative film from Kirk this past game. He was awful.

I guess I am sick of hearing how KC is getting a pass for supposedly doing what griffin got criticized for and took it that this is what bullock was implying.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

I guess I am sick of hearing how KC is getting a pass for supposedly doing what griffin got criticized for and took it that this is what bullock was implying.

Fair enough.

And I do think it would have been smarter for him to not have brought Griffins name into it at all, knowing this fan bases' fatigue on the issue.

But I've seen enough of his film stuff to not have taken it that way myself.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Why can't it be a great play by a good Defensive Back? Guess what -- they get paid too. In fact, Prince was on NFL Radio (SiriusXM) and said that on the interception he recognized the play and jumped the route.

It was good play by the Defense... All 3 QB's on our Roster would have thrown a pick there.

It can be both. But in this case, it seemed 3 things. 1) it was a bit of lazy play calling. We used the exact same play against the Rams last week. 2) Prince identified the tendency and took advantage and made a good play 3) Kirk predetermined where he was throwing.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Off topic here... But things that make you go hmmmm

 

[Stymietee]

I guess I am sick of hearing how KC is getting a pass for supposedly doing what griffin got criticized for and took it that this is what bullock was implying.

I'll say it up front, KC IS NOT GETTING A PASS FOR DOING STUFF THAT GRIFFIN GOT CRITIZED FOR! That said what's missing in the whole ongoing thing is that there should never be those comparisons at all. Maybe the best thing to do is hope that the organization recognizes then does what is in the best interest of the team. Many disagree with the fact that a certain player is still here and, it seems, unable to come terms with the clear determination that for whatever the reason, the decision has been made. If he is here for some longer term goal, then wish him well and hope that he gets the flaws worked out. If he's going to be released then be patient, that time will come.

Now about those comparisons.......one guy was drafted to do big things here, whether you agree with the methodology that led to those things not materializing or not means one thing, he didn't fail by himself.

The other guy was drafted to be a backup, is there really any wonder why he's exactly what he was drafted to be? There is no hidden upgradeable talent that transforms him into the next surprise middle to late round pick. Like others who have made that transition, we would have seen it by now. Truth is he's being criticized for NOT being more than what he always has been.

 

[Breed]

I question the anti Griffin thing too but not so sure about now he's handling the RBs. If Alf is your lead dog as Jay states, then why is Jones getting the first carry of this game and then way more snaps. That's inconsistent with what he is saying.

I'm good with the anti-Griffin vibe. I'm anti-Griffin my damn self. If left up to me, he'd of been cut before the season started. I've said before there's only 2 pieces left over from the toxic, poisonous team that was the Redskins for much of the Snyder era. One, Snyder, is gonna be right where he's at for a very long time barring an act of God or getting himself Eddie BeDartelo'ed. The other is Griffin and he's likely here still, at least imo, cause of poison pill #1. He reminds me in some ways of T.O. except w/o the talent. So he's simply a millstone that needs to be cut loose from the neck of the Redskins.

My anti-Griffin radar though is also leading me to believe Gruden's anti-Alf. I dunno why, but I just think he is. The one issue that might keep Alf around longer is if MJ averages a fumble every 17 carries like he is now. If Chris Thompson begins to show himself to be more than a 3rd down pass catching RB though and he looked to have a lil' sumpthin. Alf's days as a Skin are definitely numbered.

Plus I'm not a fan of this coaching from the podium style Jay has shown since last year with blasting Griffin. This year it's Jordan a few times, Roberts w/drops, Jones w/fumbling etc.

Just don't see how calling them out like that in front of the media is good for anyone but the media.

Me either. Griffin needed it, was asking for it, last year. But the tough-guy, tell it like it is, give em the one crazy eye look like his brother did doesn't work for Jay. At least not for me. Unless he begins to run down a list of his and other coaches fuck ups right along with the players.

Here's a hint though, Jay. How bout you and the fellas start focusing on that shit at practice. Or don't, but start playing like you really do.

 

[Breed]

Wait? What? Is Cousins trying to say or even haphazardly implying the first INT wasn't his fault? That's a bad look for Kirk if so. A real bad look.

 

[Breed]

Off topic here... But things that make you go hmmmm

Does IR mean the guy who is universally getting blamed for the Hawks defense sucking swollen blue whale nuts the first couple weeks? Sometimes another man's garbage is just that, garbage.

 

[martinez]

Does IR mean the guy who is universally getting blamed for the Hawks defense sucking swollen blue whale nuts the first couple weeks? Sometimes another man's garbage is just that, garbage.

Well I'm sure he'd have a bigger impact than johnson has had for this team

 

[Breed]

What is this guys problem? Of course it was a bad throw and should have never been thrown. Most interceptions are. What is he trying to prove? That cousins is treated differently than Robert? Really? How many starts does Robert have and how many does KC have? When the are equal, then let's compare and if KC is still making these mistakes I can promise you he will be completely eviscerated by all, including me. But the reality is if KC continues to play this way, he will never get near Robert's starts. So who really got special treatment?

If that happens, KC getting to as many starts as the Skins QB as Griffin currently has. It'll mean one of two things. KC started balling and/or the Skins as a team started winning at a pretty decent clip with Kirk as the starter. There's no other way Kirk is getting as many chances as Griffin has had, 35 starts with the Redskins, w/o one of those two things happening.

While varying factors come into play. NFL math is different than regular math and being fair (giving player Y as many starts or chances as player X to be fair to both players) isn't an essential or hardwired part of the NFL lexicon.

 

[j_y19]

If that happens, KC getting to as many starts as the Skins QB as Griffin currently has. It'll mean one of two things. KC started balling and/or the Skins as a team started winning at a pretty decent clip with Kirk as the starter. There's no other way Kirk is getting as many chances as Griffin has had, 35 starts with the Redskins, w/o one of those two things happening.

While varying factors come into play. NFL math is different than regular math and being fair (giving player Y as many starts or chances as player X to be fair to both players) isn't an essential or hardwired part of the NFL lexicon.

I completely agree. So for those that are carping that KC is getting away with doing just as bad as RG3 or making the same mistakes that got RG3 benched, my point is that at this juncture in RG3's starts, no one was calling for him to be benched. He has had the better part of 3 seasons and was still making egregious mistakes. Lets give KC half that many and see where he is before we act like its been a double standard.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Why can't it be a great play by a good Defensive Back? Guess what -- they get paid too. In fact, Prince was on NFL Radio (SiriusXM) and said that on the interception he recognized the play and jumped the route.

It was good play by the Defense... All 3 QB's on our Roster would have thrown a pick there.

That's kind of my thinking. Also wondering when our defensive backs will jump a route and make a play.


Good to see you Dex.

 

[j_y19]

That's kind of my thinking. Also wondering when our defensive backs will jump a route and make a play.


Good to see you Dex.

It was both. Prince did make a great play, and took a big risk, by jumping that route. But KC also was late with the throw and it was off target. He needed to hit Garcon as soon as he cut but garçon was three steps from the cut when KC threw. This is what gave Prince the time to jump the route. IT was also sloppy play calling as we had used that play numerous times successfully in games 1 and 2 so the giants did their home work. If the play was a completion, Garcon would have gone a long way as there was no one behind prince, so that was the risk.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Morning, I see you are an early riser too.