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[Caliskinsfan]

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

Excerpt

That is what makes Kirk Cousins a frustrating player. He did absolutely everything you want from a quarterback. He read the coverage, identified the match-up, understood the concept of the play and why it was intended, he looked off the only possible help, but it was the FS who didn't do what he was "suppose" to do. Cousins only mistake was not recognizing that. He uses his mind for where he is going with the ball instead of his eyes. Before a play starts, he has an entire outline in his mind of where everyone on the field is going to be which is great for a quarterback but does a poor job with his eyes confirming it. That's why Cousins will sometimes throw that interception RIGHT to a defender because that's not where Cousins planned on him being, yet that is where he was located.

Cousins needs to loosen up his game and move away from being such a robotic player. He has a great grasp of concepts and goal of plays, looking like a well-oiled machine at times. But when things aren't smooth or moving "predictably" is when Cousins struggles. He needs to learn to adapt. Both Griffin and Cousins have their strengths and their weaknesses, here is to both players working on their craft, improving their game and hopefully contributing to a successful Redskins season, no matter which role either player is given.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Jay said that the Niles Paul injury was a factor with pulling the 1's after the second series. This I can understand.

 

[skinsdad62]

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

Excerpt

That is what makes Kirk Cousins a frustrating player. He did absolutely everything you want from a quarterback. He read the coverage, identified the match-up, understood the concept of the play and why it was intended, he looked off the only possible help, but it was the FS who didn't do what he was "suppose" to do. Cousins only mistake was not recognizing that. He uses his mind for where he is going with the ball instead of his eyes. Before a play starts, he has an entire outline in his mind of where everyone on the field is going to be which is great for a quarterback but does a poor job with his eyes confirming it. That's why Cousins will sometimes throw that interception RIGHT to a defender because that's not where Cousins planned on him being, yet that is where he was located.

Cousins needs to loosen up his game and move away from being such a robotic player. He has a great grasp of concepts and goal of plays, looking like a well-oiled machine at times. But when things aren't smooth or moving "predictably" is when Cousins struggles. He needs to learn to adapt. Both Griffin and Cousins have their strengths and their weaknesses, here is to both players working on their craft, improving their game and hopefully contributing to a successful Redskins season, no matter which role either player is given.

this what i have been saying . that is his "work " he needs to improve on

 

[Sleepy T]

How patient can we be at this point?? At the end of this season he likely walks unless he wins the starting job this year and looks to be worthy of a long term deal. Time to put up or shut up for all of our QBs or we will likely be drafting one in '16.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

this what i have been saying . that is his "work " he needs to improve on

I agree with you.

I've never said Our QBs don't need work. I said I wanted to see more live reps for Griffin and that Kirk needs work under pressure.

We have 1 QB who plays to the script but can't ad lib under pressure, 1 with a tendency to ad lib too much and 1 who is a career back up.

 

[reptec101]

I'm guessing next thursday night against Detroit we will see Griffin for one half... or at least we better. Eight passes, or two series isn't enough for a QB who needs more work at being a pocket passer then Caitlyn Jenner does at being a woman. Also, Im guessing (though I don't know why) Colt McCoy will start the 2nd half and Cousins will bring up the rear for the final curtain call.

I believe they know they have a great RB tandem already so I see more emphasis on the pass this up-coming game and Griffins ability (have or have not) to read coverages and his proper technique at dropping back and stepping up. More than anything his ability to make a quick decision and let the ball fly.

It's an interesting theory, or a cop out, of Grudens reasoning for babying his starters. If he continues to baby them in fear of injury we will get blown out against Miami.

It's time for Gruden to loosen his belt and let his boys have at it.

 

[skinsdad62]

I'm guessing next thursday night against Detroit we will see Griffin for one half... or at least we better. Eight passes, or two series isn't enough for a QB who needs more work at being a pocket passer then Caitlyn Jenner does at being a woman. Also, Im guessing (though I don't know why) Colt McCoy will start the 2nd half and Cousins will bring up the rear for the final curtain call.

I believe they know they have a great RB tandem already so I see more emphasis on the pass this up-coming game and Griffins ability (have or have not) to read coverages and his proper technique at dropping back and stepping up. More than anything his ability to make a quick decision and let the ball fly.

It's an interesting theory, or a cop out, of Grudens reasoning for babying his starters. If he continues to baby them in fear of injury we will get blown out against Miami.

It's time for Gruden to loosen his belt and let his boys have at it.

you realize you are asking gruden to go against established norms when it comes to preseason games and starters playing time dont you ? starters normally dont get a half until game 3 and then a series or 2 inthe the 3rd quarter . i expect to see them a quarter and a half vs detroit and we need to work on the whole offense not just the pass game because we are changing schemes

 

[reptec101]

You realize we are trying to groom a running QB is whole football life up to just 2 years ago into a pocket passer who holds the ball to long. He isn't a Brady or Manning or Luck or even a Romo,,, why baby him? What happened last preseason? Pretty benign approach regarding Griffin. Then what happened in our first game in Houston? Did Griffin throw any balls past 10 yards? If Gruden wants to win with Griffin he needs to build confidence within him.

Griffin is what 8 or 9 for 20 as a starter last two years.... and you want to baby him. I was the biggest fan of RG3 his first year but since that injury I have seen what he has become... and it aint pretty. Not certain Snyder isn't telling Gruden how long to play him in fear he will get hurt. Snyders reputation (what there is of it) is riding on that Griff isn't a bust. We all know why he's starting and it isn't because he's our best option. No, you play the dude the first half and you throw throw throw!!!

This team gives me more headaches.

 

[Breed]

you realize you are asking gruden to go against established norms when it comes to preseason games and starters playing time dont you ? starters normally dont get a half until game 3 and then a series or 2 inthe the 3rd quarter . i expect to see them a quarter and a half vs detroit and we need to work on the whole offense not just the pass game because we are changing schemes

Can you recall a situation similar to the one the Skins are in now with Griffin? They're trying to make a 4 year old deal work that in large part has been an unmitigated disaster up to this point.

I'm not sure there are any guidelines for that presently.

 

[skinsdad62]

Can you recall a situation similar to the one the Skins are in now with Griffin? They're trying to make a 4 year old deal work that in large part has been an unmitigated disaster up to this point.

I'm not sure there are any guidelines for that presently.

i think what needs to be understood here is the current staff may not see it as you and i see it .

and in 80 years in the nfl no team has started an overpriced qb and needed to play him more to save face ?

how many snaps did the mannings take before they were mannings , ? hell any qb can use more snaps but that is weighed against the risk of injury

well lets look at the facts . Rg3 has been a starting qb going on year 4 whether he is a good one or not isnt the point , the point is he is a veteran starter and is playing about the amount or more then his peers

flacco had 5 pass attempts , mckown 5 stafford 2 rivers 2 bardy 4 fitz 8 marriota 8 and the high was rodgers with 19 but most had under 8 attempts the vikes qb had 5 . the vast majority of those guys needed work

cutler had 7 and he doesnt need reps with his play ? tannehill 7 newton 10 manuel 8 cassel 8

only 2 are way out of line rodgers and winston at 19 a piece

big ben 3 , bortles 15 another one high ryan 6 romo 0 eli 8 dalton 3 (3!/!) kaep 3(he isnt in the Rg3 boat ?) foles 5 carr 9 wilson 1 manning 0 brees 0

some of these guys needed work others didnt but my point is he is playing about the same as anyone else and the same with other qbs who have pocket passing issues or major flaws in their game or are in new offenses

 

[Breed]

i think what needs to be understood here is the current staff may not see it as you and i see it .

Perhaps.

in 80 years in the nfl no team has started an overpriced qb and needed to play him more to save face ?

I'd go with overwhelmed, unprepared, or still not ready, more than overpriced, but yeah I'm asking that question.

how many snaps did the mannings take before they were mannings , ? hell any qb can use more snaps but that is weighed against the risk of injury

Peyton's arguably the greatest regular season QB in the history of football and Eli was hoisting his first SB trophy in his fourth year. One could opine they had more enough preseason snaps. IMO Griffin clearly hasn't.

well lets look at the facts . Rg3 has been a starting qb going on year 4 whether he is a good one or not isnt the point , the point is he is a veteran starter and is playing about the amount or more then his peers

That's a fact no doubt. Unfortunately though one could argue, and pretty easily I think, that its factual that Griffin's no further along than your average rookie QB in his fourth year.

big ben 3 , bortles 15 another one high ryan 6 romo 0 eli 8 dalton 3 (3!/!) kaep 3(he isnt in the Rg3 boat ?) foles 5 carr 9 wilson 1 manning 0 brees 0

Perhaps far as Kaep. Kaep did go to a SB though, was about a foot to 3 feet short on another pass from going to another SB. And he was smart enough to always protect himself when he ran. Something Griffin wasn't smart enough to do and that more than anything is why he's been injured as much as he has.

some of these guys needed work others didnt but my point is he is playing about the same as anyone else and the same with other qbs who have pocket passing issues or major flaws in their game or are in new offenses

I just think Griffin needed more work.

 

[Breed]

Hazard's Huddle: Kirk Cousins Colors Inside the Lines - Hogs Haven

Excerpt

That is what makes Kirk Cousins a frustrating player. He did absolutely everything you want from a quarterback. He read the coverage, identified the match-up, understood the concept of the play and why it was intended, he looked off the only possible help, but it was the FS who didn't do what he was "suppose" to do. Cousins only mistake was not recognizing that. He uses his mind for where he is going with the ball instead of his eyes. Before a play starts, he has an entire outline in his mind of where everyone on the field is going to be which is great for a quarterback but does a poor job with his eyes confirming it. That's why Cousins will sometimes throw that interception RIGHT to a defender because that's not where Cousins planned on him being, yet that is where he was located.

Cousins needs to loosen up his game and move away from being such a robotic player. He has a great grasp of concepts and goal of plays, looking like a well-oiled machine at times. But when things aren't smooth or moving "predictably" is when Cousins struggles. He needs to learn to adapt. Both Griffin and Cousins have their strengths and their weaknesses, here is to both players working on their craft, improving their game and hopefully contributing to a successful Redskins season, no matter which role either player is given.

Excellent article and post. Though I think too much gets made about Cousins supposed lack of arm stregth. His arm strength is fine.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Excellent article and post. Though I think too much gets made about Cousins supposed lack of arm stregth. His arm strength is fine.

Probably because any QB can appear that way throwing deep to Djax...

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I could buy that if I thought Jay Gruden was the one who wanted to start Griffin instead of being force fed Griffin by Snyder.All the Skins are doing imo is continuing to stunt their development by playing Griffin. As well as getting a year closer to losing some of the few good players they have.



Its also pretty evident that while he talked a good game about becoming a different QB. He did little to nothing far as putting in work, including film study when he was injured, to actually become a different QB.



You and I both know he's not lasting 14 years in the league.



What evidence is that?



They owe it to themselves and the fans to put the best players on the field. And by best I don't mean the fastest, most athletic, or strongest arm. I mean the player that gives the team the best chance to win right now. Regardless if they have realistic playoff aspirations or not.

Agree on Gruden being forced to play Griffin and on Griffin's attitude, he has been a diva and a pain in the ass. Disagree that it is stunting their development if the plan is to win big down the road, not a few more games in 2015. As for 14 years in the league who knows? I'll settle for 10 if it's a guy who can be more than average and sorry, I see Kirk as Andy Daulton at best and we all know how that turns out every January. And that's really the best case scenario with Kirk, more likely he will fall into the level below that.

What evidence is it that I refer to? The fact that many, including our new GM, consider Robert a rare talent. If we really are all in on In Scott We Trust then we should buy into his evaluatoin of Griffin and he has said since the day he got here that he had him rated very very high. He also said you don't give up on a young QB too soon and I'm buying into that too.

 

[Stymietee]

Are you guys convinced yet? It's been 4 years since Griffin was drafted and the organization/team has just now begun the process of training him to be a pro QB. Equally important they are building a team around him that relies less on him doing more than is necessary.

Contrary to protests otherwise, this organization/team has botched his development from the beginning. Yeah he's a diva who more likely believes that he deserves......blah.....blah......blah, but there was one voice here that insisted he not start early on. Yeah I've heard the argument that they couldn't because of what was paid for him. If you're still not convinced answer this one question.

Assuming the organization was still going to draft him and pay the price that they did, if you could go back, knowing what you know now, what would you do with him?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I'd start him day 1 because the best way to learn to play QB is to actually play QB. Everyone knew he had further to grow than other traditional pocket QBs. But again it's about upside and who has the chance to be great and who will top out at "pretty good". Pretty good ain't good enough, just ask the Lions and Bengals.

I'm just tired of this short sighted call for Kirk. Sure he can move the team better. Know who else could move the team? Rex Grossman. Know what they both have in common?

Rex: 56 TD, 60 INT
Kirk: 18 TD, 19 INTs

 

[Stymietee]

I'd start him day 1 because the best way to learn to play QB is to actually play QB. Everyone knew he had further to grow than other traditional pocket QBs. But again it's about upside and who has the chance to be great and who will top out at "pretty good". Pretty good ain't good enough, just ask the Lions and Bengals.

I'm just tired of this short sighted call for Kirk. Sure he can move the team better. Know who else could move the team? Rex Grossman. Know what they both have in common?

Rex: 56 TD, 60 INT
Kirk: 18 TD, 19 INTs

That is exactly what was done (start him day one), so to be clear, you would start him day one knowing that in year 4 his development would be just begining?

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Again his development has been stunted by injuries and his attitude. Knowing this would be the case looking back of course I continue to start him because that's the only way he will learn to play the position completely.

My goal is to find a great QB, a QB capable of carrying a team to a division title or further. This QB has been that guy. My goal is not to find a QB who is capable of turning a 4-12 season into a 6-10 season in 2015.

 

[Sharkinva]

If the goal was to find a great QB, why on earth would you want a Mike Vick upgrade?? Im just saying. Cousins might not be another Peyton Manning. But Griffin is a few steps above Vick at best. RG3 is an athlete trying to become an NFL QB.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

As I have been saying since the day they drafted him Griffin hits what he throws at much much more often than Michael Vick does. That is the biggest difference between the 2 of them.