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[skinsdad62]

Mike Shanahan: Kirk Cousins will have a great career as an NFL starting quarterback - Riggo's Rag - A Washington Redskins Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more.

i agree with this and we should be patient and smart with KC

 

[skinsdad62]

Redskins vs Browns - Ten Redskins who Flashed - Riggo's Rag - A Washington Redskins Fan Site - News, Blogs, Opinion and more. - Page 5

10 players who flashed

i like ILB plummer .

 

[j_y19]

and by the way if i were choosing the qb from what i have seen the past 4 years my choice would be KC hands down

he has a better grasp of the offense , the team moves the ball better when he is on the field and i think they pulled the plug on him too early last season

i am just laying off bashing Rg3 and trying to support him

Again, I'm not bashing rg3. I actually think he played ok. But the sample size is so small, his grade has to be an incomplete.

As to the issue of his double pass attempts (whoopie, 4 to 8!) and what McKown did, since when do we use the Cleveland Browns as the measuring stick as to what Is right? The situation with rg3 is unique. Cousins had twice the attempts. In what bazzaro world does that make sense? RG3 need the work in live situations if he is to learn.

 

[Sharkinva]

As strange as it sounds Im not bashing RG3. For his limited work, I think he was average game manager ok. My point is simply that in year four he should either be the hands down starter with no question that he IS the best QB ( not just the one with the "highest ceiling). If this isnt the case, it SHOULD have been an open comp and may the best QB for the team at this time win. We dont have that, and thats not because the guy who is the current starter is better than the other two. As much as people say, well you cant keep harping on what we gave up for him, they ten turn around and say that BECAUSE of what we gave up we CANT simply give up on him. Making him prove he should be the starter is not giving up on him. Its what any sane organization would do at this point. We aint there yet.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

 

[Stymietee]

The questions about this team and Griffin has been and continues to be....WHY?
The answers to those questions tell more about dysfunction than some are willing to admit.
Let's assume that everything that is written in this thread about Griffin and Cousins is factual. What does it say about an organization that.

1. Refuses to play the QB that runs its' HC's offense better than any other on the roster?
2. Appears to just now have its' starting QB on training wheels (four years late)?
3. Finally attempt to build an NFL caliber squad capable of winning no matter who the signal caller would be four years after paying a ransom for one with zero training and experience for the job.
4. Hire a HC who still shows a reluctance to put his team in more manageable 3rd down situations because he's pass happy? (Twice in the Cleveland game while Griffin was in he called for passes on 2nd and 5 or 6)

The easiest thing in the world to do is assign blame, it is a lot more time consuming to properly do so. I get it....fans want results, we put our hopes into "next year" then watch as ineptitude provides us with pipe dreams instead of proven methodology. Now we have a GM in place and by all accounts fans have now placed their trust.........ONE GUY...........What an organization!!

 

[Breed]

Never said he was the coaches favorite. I said he is clearly the most efficient at running Grudens offense. Lets get ready to enjoy our season with a QB who holds it longer then Ron Jeremy before letting it go. Lets get ready to enjoy our season of musical QB after Griff is hobbled. We all kno why Sherff was our 1st pick. We all kno why Griff is our stater. when the Griff experiment ultimately fails Cousins will come in ( since he will be our 2nd string.. Bank it) and we will look a different team. Tell me im wrong.

You're wrong........listen, I can't stand Griffin. I think he's a self centered ass0 who's still so arrogant he couldn't STFU if he was paid to do it. I'm tired of him and I'm tired of his daddy. I agree that he needs far more work than 8 passes. He needs to be throwing at least twice that many passes since he's been given the starting job once again (2 years in row where he didn't earn it)

I agree with you that Kirk is the best QB on the team to run Gruden's offense. I also think Kirk showed some really good things last year as well. But he had his chance, a golden opportunity in fact, last year to win the starting job. Instead he went 0-5 as a starter, leading the league in turn-overs during that span and a lot of them were of the soul-crushing variety of turn-overs as well.

He'll get his chance this year I'm sure after even Snyder won't be able to deny how shitty Griffin is. He'll need to step it up though as he's what? 1-8 as a starter with his only starting win coming back in 2012 against Cleveland. If Kirk can't win or if he can't avoid shooting himself and the Redskins in the ass with killer turn-overs. What use is he? None.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

We are leaving today and I'll finally get home and can watch this game. Very happy to see how well Kirk has played, I think it's nuts that he is battle with Colt for the backup role.

But guys we have been through this a million times. What the team is trying to do is develop the best LONG TERM QB. Everyone knew Griff came in far behind other QBs due to the system he played. So everyone knew it would take him longer. Throw in the injuries and the development was retarded even further.

So yeah, right now today Kirk is the better QB. I think we can all agree on that. But this isn't about today or even this season, it's about finding their QB for the next 14 years. And there is a lot of evidence that shows it could, I repeat COULD, be Robert. They owe it to themselves to give a guy with the higher talent level the most time for them to evaluate.

 

[skinzfan]

Redskins wouldn't go to the playoffs this year if Aaron Rodgers was behind center. Is Griffin a long term solution? I don't believe so, but they invested a ton in him and I don't have a problem with them giving him one last shot. If he's not appreciably better than last year (shouldn't take more than 6 games to figure that out) or suffers a season ending injury, cut him loose at seasons end.

 

[Sharkinva]

We are leaving today and I'll finally get home and can watch this game. Very happy to see how well Kirk has played, I think it's nuts that he is battle with Colt for the backup role.

But guys we have been through this a million times. What the team is trying to do is develop the best LONG TERM QB. Everyone knew Griff came in far behind other QBs due to the system he played. So everyone knew it would take him longer. Throw in the injuries and the development was retarded even further.

So yeah, right now today Kirk is the better QB. I think we can all agree on that. But this isn't about today or even this season, it's about finding their QB for the next 14 years. And there is a lot of evidence that shows it could, I repeat COULD, be Robert. They owe it to themselves to give a guy with the higher talent level the most time for them to evaluate.

the only problem with this statement is this....

Griffin is the better athlete, this does not mean he is in fact a more talented QB. Bottom line is, at this point it should have been an open battle for the starting QB position. The only reason it isnt is because of what they gave up to get Griffin. Any sane person would in year four have come to the conclusion that the position no longer needs to be given, but earned.

 

[Stymietee]

We are leaving today and I'll finally get home and can watch this game. Very happy to see how well Kirk has played, I think it's nuts that he is battle with Colt for the backup role.

But guys we have been through this a million times. What the team is trying to do is develop the best LONG TERM QB. Everyone knew Griff came in far behind other QBs due to the system he played. So everyone knew it would take him longer. Throw in the injuries and the development was retarded even further.

So yeah, right now today Kirk is the better QB. I think we can all agree on that. But this isn't about today or even this season, it's about finding their QB for the next 14 years. And there is a lot of evidence that shows it could, I repeat COULD, be Robert. They owe it to themselves to give a guy with the higher talent level the most time for them to evaluate.

Exactly...........Now have a safe trip home!!

 

[Stymietee]

the only problem with this statement is this....

Griffin is the better athlete, this does not mean he is in fact a more talented QB. Bottom line is, at this point it should have been an open battle for the starting QB position. The only reason it isnt is because of what they gave up to get Griffin. Any sane person would in year four have come to the conclusion that the position no longer needs to be given, but earned.

Note from an insane person: I would have not started him in the first place even if I had given up 4 #1's. He wasn't ready, the team around him wasn't ready, the coaching staff and front office was not ready to put the team nor him in the best position to develop. 2012 season was an aberration. In fact it's taken this long to even begin his actual development and that's because the team finally got a small ray of sunshine on its' collective ass with the hiring of SM.

Anybody remember model cars or airplanes? Looks good on the box, but until you glued the parts together it was junk. Remember guys, we're not talking about normal here, this was DC football featuring Dan Snyder, Bruce Allen and Co.

 

[skinsdad62]

Again, I'm not bashing rg3. I actually think he played ok. But the sample size is so small, his grade has to be an incomplete.

As to the issue of his double pass attempts (whoopie, 4 to 8!) and what McKown did, since when do we use the Cleveland Browns as the measuring stick as to what Is right? The situation with rg3 is unique. Cousins had twice the attempts. In what bazzaro world does that make sense? RG3 need the work in live situations if he is to learn.

ok i put this out earlier and no one could find the answer so i will put it out again .show me the stats that show that Rg3 got fewer game snaps then any other starter . most played a series or 2 then left in pre season week one and when i say fewer i mean substantial not a few plays cleveland browns or not

 

[skinsdad62]

• The Redskins offense was on the field for a total of 66 snaps. The first-team offense was in for 27% of those snaps (18 snaps). That is the highest number of total snaps and by far the highest snap percentage that Washington's offensive starters have played over the course of the last four preseason openers (2012-2015).

• I personally feel like Jay Gruden should've left Griffin and the starters out there for one more series. However, when you consider that RG3's eight attempts were tied for the second most he's ever had in a preseason game and were the most he's ever had in a preseason opener it's hard to be upset about it. Griffin's 18 snaps were also a career high for a preseason opener.

sorry but looking at the above statement confirms they are giving him more work and most likely that will continue

 

[skinsdad62]

Hazard's Huddle: Robert Griffin III Must Trust "Ordinary" Vision - Hogs Haven

here is a play that shows he still doesnt trust his eyes in the offense . grant is open , he should have taken that play and saved the hit . KC makes that throw but KC's issue is when things go according to script he is fine when they do not he struggles

 

[Stymietee]

Hazard's Huddle: Robert Griffin III Must Trust "Ordinary" Vision - Hogs Haven

here is a play that shows he still doesnt trust his eyes in the offense . grant is open , he should have taken that play and saved the hit . KC makes that throw but KC's issue is when things go according to script he is fine when they do not he struggles

Granted he didn't pull the trigger, but to his credit he made the right reads quickly, too quickly in the case of Grant which was something many complained about him not doing last year. I suspect when the game slows down for him he will make those throws.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

• The Redskins offense was on the field for a total of 66 snaps. The first-team offense was in for 27% of those snaps (18 snaps). That is the highest number of total snaps and by far the highest snap percentage that Washington's offensive starters have played over the course of the last four preseason openers (2012-2015).

• I personally feel like Jay Gruden should've left Griffin and the starters out there for one more series. However, when you consider that RG3's eight attempts were tied for the second most he's ever had in a preseason game and were the most he's ever had in a preseason opener it's hard to be upset about it. Griffin's 18 snaps were also a career high for a preseason opener.

sorry but looking at the above statement confirms they are giving him more work and most likely that will continue

I really would have felt better with a 3rd series. And one that ended with a TD. To end on 2 failed fades, again showing red zone struggles was a weird place to end reps with the 1s to me.

Maybe the snap counts end up NOT being significantly different from others this year. Maybe thinking more live reps would help is faulty thinking on my part.

I have no problem being wrong about that. Tho I did post reps from last year that showed a significant difference with some other QBs. But that included all preseason games.

Even Eli went for more than 2 series when his O and revamped right side of his Oline was struggling last night.

It would seem that Griffin needs those reps more than other QBs who have not struggled the past 2 years.

I just want our QB to succeed and be given the maximum opportunity and tools to do so, no matter who he is.

 

[skinsdad62]

Granted he didn't pull the trigger, but to his credit he made the right reads quickly, too quickly in the case of Grant which was something many complained about him not doing last year. I suspect when the game slows down for him he will make those throws.

me too . i think he is showing improvement on the little things qbs need to master in the pocket . again its one game , a small sample to be sure , but he doesnt seem to be the tampa train wreck we saw last season

 

[Breed]

What the team is trying to do is develop the best LONG TERM QB.

I could buy that if I thought Jay Gruden was the one who wanted to start Griffin instead of being force fed Griffin by Snyder.All the Skins are doing imo is continuing to stunt their development by playing Griffin. As well as getting a year closer to losing some of the few good players they have.

Everyone knew Griff came in far behind other QBs due to the system he played. So everyone knew it would take him longer. Throw in the injuries and the development was retarded even further.

Its also pretty evident that while he talked a good game about becoming a different QB. He did little to nothing far as putting in work, including film study when he was injured, to actually become a different QB.

So yeah, right now today Kirk is the better QB. I think we can all agree on that. But this isn't about today or even this season, it's about finding their QB for the next 14 years.

You and I both know he's not lasting 14 years in the league.

And there is a lot of evidence that shows it could, I repeat COULD, be Robert.

What evidence is that?

They owe it to themselves to give a guy with the higher talent level the most time for them to evaluate.

They owe it to themselves and the fans to put the best players on the field. And by best I don't mean the fastest, most athletic, or strongest arm. I mean the player that gives the team the best chance to win right now. Regardless if they have realistic playoff aspirations or not.

 

[j_y19]

ok i put this out earlier and no one could find the answer so i will put it out again .show me the stats that show that Rg3 got fewer game snaps then any other starter . most played a series or 2 then left in pre season week one and when i say fewer i mean substantial not a few plays cleveland browns or not

IMO, it makes no difference what other teams do. Griffin needs the work as he is learning, in effect, a new way to play the position. Most other QBs in the league are not. For those that are, then I would make the same argument. They need the reps and following the schedule of an established player isn't applicable. The established QBs are just trying to work out the rust. That is not the case with Griffin.