Edonidd
Well-Known Member
I'm much more familiar with the books than the show. I've read all the books multiple times, but only ever watched the show once. Almost always live as it first ran. But the show has really shown us more about how the series will progress and eventually end than the books ever did. GRRM likes to throw in red herrings on purpose, and sometimes just goes into great detail as a by product of world building. The show on the other hand tends to show the viewer what they need to pay attention to and really has had to cut down and condense the story, so not much time for red herrings.
Lots of us readers thought Jon would Warg into Ghost. The show has pretty much ignored that aspect, so to non book readers it would feel very dues ex machina to "save" him that way.
Most readers agreed with R+L=J, but it was never an absolute sure thing. After all one of the other possibilities was that Jon Snow was actually part of house Dayne, which would mean he was eligible to wield the sword Dawn and be The Sword of the Morning. Which seemed pretty significant, and it's kind of weird to have built that much history around one family and them having a special sword that was way more special than all the other special swords. I'm not sure Arthur Dayne was even mentioned on the show, much less the Sword of the Morning.
Young Griff, was somebody that a lot of people penciled in as one of the "3 heads of the Dragon." Even in the books it felt weird to introduce him so late in the story if he was going to be significant. Obviously he isn't though if they didn't even put him in the show at all.
It really screwed up a ton of theories when The Red Woman left Castle Black right when we knew Jon was gonna get "killed" but the fact she comes back right as the deed happens pretty much confirms that. The big question is the cost though, since we've seen some divergent ways to bring characters back from the dead already. White Walkers make zombies. Fast ones though. Qyburn in the books it wasn't sure if Gregor Clegane actually died, but he definitely did in the show. He is brought back having "taken a vow of silence" and seems to just follow orders. Any orders? From anyone? We don't know everything. Beric Dondarion gives his life to bring back Stoneheart, but she definitely is not the same person she was before she died. Beric himself is given the "kiss of life" by a priest of the Red God, and actually had it happen multiple times. But he loses memories of his past life and states something like he was revived by fire, and Fire burns away all it touches. Or something like that.
So Jon is probably most similar to Beric, but maybe his Valyrian heritage can protect him somewhat from the fire burning away his memories. But I bet there is still some cost. And Jon did burn his hand in a burning curtain killing the first white walker zombies, so he's certainly not completely immune to fire the way his aunt is implied to be.
Lots of us readers thought Jon would Warg into Ghost. The show has pretty much ignored that aspect, so to non book readers it would feel very dues ex machina to "save" him that way.
Most readers agreed with R+L=J, but it was never an absolute sure thing. After all one of the other possibilities was that Jon Snow was actually part of house Dayne, which would mean he was eligible to wield the sword Dawn and be The Sword of the Morning. Which seemed pretty significant, and it's kind of weird to have built that much history around one family and them having a special sword that was way more special than all the other special swords. I'm not sure Arthur Dayne was even mentioned on the show, much less the Sword of the Morning.
Young Griff, was somebody that a lot of people penciled in as one of the "3 heads of the Dragon." Even in the books it felt weird to introduce him so late in the story if he was going to be significant. Obviously he isn't though if they didn't even put him in the show at all.
It really screwed up a ton of theories when The Red Woman left Castle Black right when we knew Jon was gonna get "killed" but the fact she comes back right as the deed happens pretty much confirms that. The big question is the cost though, since we've seen some divergent ways to bring characters back from the dead already. White Walkers make zombies. Fast ones though. Qyburn in the books it wasn't sure if Gregor Clegane actually died, but he definitely did in the show. He is brought back having "taken a vow of silence" and seems to just follow orders. Any orders? From anyone? We don't know everything. Beric Dondarion gives his life to bring back Stoneheart, but she definitely is not the same person she was before she died. Beric himself is given the "kiss of life" by a priest of the Red God, and actually had it happen multiple times. But he loses memories of his past life and states something like he was revived by fire, and Fire burns away all it touches. Or something like that.
So Jon is probably most similar to Beric, but maybe his Valyrian heritage can protect him somewhat from the fire burning away his memories. But I bet there is still some cost. And Jon did burn his hand in a burning curtain killing the first white walker zombies, so he's certainly not completely immune to fire the way his aunt is implied to be.