Game of Thrones

[juliansteed]

I saw a pretty good explanation from someone about this in a discussion elsewhere. The Iron Islands didn't declare independence because they likely can't survive independently. The wars over the course of the show basically wrecked the Iron Fleet and of course Euron fucked a lot of shit up too. Basically, its more financially viable for them to stay in the Kingdom and get the benefits and resources than it is to try to make a go of it alone.

As for Dorne? Eh. Who really cares. It's Dorne. The show never did anything with them and all we even know is they have a nameless Prince as leader. Would we really want time spent talking about Dornish independence from people we never really spent much time with at all? If there had to be a reason I guess you could maybe claim that since the Lannisters basically died out (with the exception of Tyrion) as well as there being no more Targs, Dorne no longer had such a big beef anymore so they were willing to give this new order a shot.

I'm still not clear on what the benefits to the North being independent are, aside from Sansa getting to call herself queen. It made sense to want independence when The Lannisters controlled the Crown and when it was looking like Daenerys would, but now that one of their own is king?

Also Sansa talks about how they fought for their independence, but who did they fight and defeat to become independent? They were fighting for independence (among other things) in The War of the 5 Kings, but they lost. Then they fought a civil war against the Boltons but that was to retake control of the North from another Northern house. Then they fought and defeated the White Walkers which of course had nothing to do with Northern independence.

 

[TheRangerDude]

The ones that got leaked before episode 4 regarding episodes 4,5 and 6 were dead on accurate.

Damn I should of said screw it, read them, and then bet the farm on Bran being the king.

 

[TheRangerDude]

This is pretty much spot on other than maybe 3 and 4.

I'll take a stab at it:

1. The lineage is ultimately what drove Dany mad.

2. I think that was his way of sort of letting the the NK know he was there. Perhaps in some way it even helped him lure the NK to him.

3. I got nothing. Other than taking out the Freys, I don't recall her using faces but they did come in handy for that post Braavos.

4. Despite making some strides, ultimately he couldn't quit his ince$t habbit.

5. Brieanne is AA, Cersei is the bottle. That's all I got. Its not great.

6. No idea, that one didn't make too much scents to me either. I mean I guess his goal the whole time has been to get rich over making friends.

7. Got me

8. I was hoping for more on the LOL as well but I think some of this is supposed to be dismissed as folklore. Same as some of our ancient "history." Obviously not when the magic worked though.

9. Not sure whats up with the Dothraki but as someone mentioned on here, the Unsullied are on their way to Messandei's home to defend here people.

10 and 11 are pretty much the same thing right? I still think PTWP was Jon. I think he was brought back by the LOL to kill Dany. Dany was truly the most dangerous to the realm at that point and he had to kill the women he loved simular to Azor Ahia and Nissa Nissa. I think that was his destiny just like Berrik was brought back to save Arya so she could kill the NK. But still, lime Berrik he probably should habe died after that himself you'd think. Like I said earlier though, I think some of the history and prophecy being wrong is intended. I think even in articles Inhabe read about the prequil, is itnis supposed to show the actual history is much different than the stories. I also think some of this might have sort of been alluded to on Tyrian's rant about stories when he nominated Bran to be king.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

When it is all said & done.
Little Finger was the hero of the story.
Yep. You heard it here 1st.

If he didnt try to frame Tyrion for (attempting) to kill Bran. None of this is set in motion & Arya doesnt end up with the dagger that kills the Night King. Westeros would then be full of white walkers & Wights.

Well done Little Finger. Well done.

Savior of Westeros!!!

 

[Duffman]

 

[PatsFan2003]

Plus them managing to make you feel sad for the dragon trying to wake up Dany.

Absolutely. It was very sweet..

 

[PatsFan2003]

What was the successful battle strategy. Keep the plains cavalry inside the gates where they would have no mobility?

Keeping them in reserve somewhere for a timely counterattack would have made more sense. Don't attack the whole horde of undead head-on but rather at the flank when their attention could be focused elsewhere.

 

[batchaps4me]

Keeping them in reserve somewhere for a timely counterattack would have made more sense. Don't attack the whole horde of undead head-on but rather at the flank when their attention could be focused elsewhere.

Judging by the amount of forces at Kings Landing, that probably occurred even if you have to infer it. Not for a counter attack, rather they were in reserve for the rest of the war to come.

 

[PatsFan2003]

Judging by the amount of forces at Kings Landing, that probably occurred even if you have to infer it. Not for a counter attack, rather they were in reserve for the rest of the war to come.

Sure. very possible. There were 40,000 or so Dothraki? To say a few thousand survived the charge isn't outrageous.

 

[Godstree]

Sure. very possible. There were 40,000 or so Dothraki? To say a few thousand survived the charge isn't outrageous.

Some on guys, a raven went to essos to let the continent know that the Dothraki was wiped out. Essos sent in replacements. Sure they were raw but they could beat the shit out of unarmed troops no sweat.

 

[batchaps4me]

Sure. very possible. There were 40,000 or so Dothraki? To say a few thousand survived the charge isn't outrageous.

I just do not think it a fair assumption that the living threw everything at the AOD trying to win a war. Everyone involved in drawing up the battle plans knew that they could not defeat the AOD in a conventional war and had to draw out the NK to have any chance. Why then would you sacrifice everyone when the battle plan was to resist just long enough to expose him? The AOD was not going to tire or be depleted without a NK death. He could just pause and resurrect the fallen making his army larger. Even a 100:1 kill ratio would not help the living.

 

[PatsFan2003]

I just do not think it a fair assumption that the living threw everything at the AOD trying to win a war. Everyone involved in drawing up the battle plans knew that they could not defeat the AOD in a conventional war and had to draw out the NK to have any chance. Why then would you sacrifice everyone when the battle plan was to resist just long enough to expose him? The AOD was not going to tire or be depleted without a NK death. He could just pause and resurrect the fallen making his army larger. Even a 100:1 kill ratio would not help the living.

The full charge still made no sense BUT as a scene to show the full power and threat of the undead, it was REALLY effective. A very memorable GOT moment.

 

[flyerhawk]

Was responding to your question of what better strategies there may have been. Bit of a pivot there, eh?

Thought we were talking militarily, not in terms of television viewership... In that case, Im thinking a few hundred LAW rockets and 4 or 5 Sherman Tanks? Ooooo, and flares! GOTTA have flares!

Well were doing both. We want TV to be logically consistent and ideally have things like battle strategy make sense. But there is only so much logic you can apply to a battle against zombies and still have something that is watchable.

 

[batchaps4me]

People are complaining about a lot of things in the show that make no sense, like Bran warging during the battle. IMHO Martin outlined where the books are heading and that will be important IF he ever finishes the books so the showrunners had to show it.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

Jon Snow.

The SOB gets treated like a bastard his entire life, only to find out he never was one.
And in end, gets sent off to the abyss ...the very thing that you would do to a bastard.

A lifetime of putting the needs of others first, regardless of the personal sacrifice.
Saving his greatest sacrifice for last.


All Hail Jon Snow.



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[Mofo]

This is pretty much spot on other than maybe 3 and 4.

1. It helped to transform Dany from heroic victim to crazy bitch in 3 episodes
2. Unknown
3. She killed Walder Frey that way. Just one weapon in her "ultimate assassin" arsenal
4. Unknown. Looks like writers ran out of time and needed him for Cersei's demise
5. Finished off Brienne's character, making her a woman. See also Arya banging Gendry
6. Unknown
7. Unknown
8. Brought Jon Snow back to life that one time so that he could be in future storylines
9. Can't have dark-skinned foreigners on Westeros?
10. Could be Jon Snow, for purposes of the Battle of Winterfell
11. Same as #10, maybe. Probably Unknown

Look, the whole 8th season is just amateurish writing. They had to end the thing in 6 episodes, and probably 90% of the budget was taken up with the two big battle scenes. (That one of them seemed to have been filmed in the dark, is a separate problem.)

 

[R.J. MacReady]

1. It helped to transform Dany from heroic victim to crazy bitch in 3 episodes
2. Unknown
3. She killed Walder Frey that way. Just one weapon in her "ultimate assassin" arsenal
4. Unknown. Looks like writers ran out of time and needed him for Cersei's demise
5. Finished off Brienne's character, making her a woman. See also Arya banging Gendry
6. Unknown
7. Unknown
8. Brought Jon Snow back to life that one time so that he could be in future storylines
9. Can't have dark-skinned foreigners on Westeros?
10. Could be Jon Snow, for purposes of the Battle of Winterfell
11. Same as #10, maybe. Probably Unknown

Look, the whole 8th season is just amateurish writing. They had to end the thing in 6 episodes, and probably 90% of the budget was taken up with the two big battle scenes. (That one of them seemed to have been filmed in the dark, is a separate problem.)

Great story lines & exciting episodes. The recipe for a great show.
But I think it inherently paints writers into a corner.

Arguably the greatest show ever "LOST" has probably the most loose ends
of any show ever made.

Maybe you can't have one without the other.



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[UK Cowboy]

I'm still not clear on what the benefits to the North being independent are, aside from Sansa getting to call herself queen. It made sense to want independence when The Lannisters controlled the Crown and when it was looking like Daenerys would, but now that one of their own is king?

Also Sansa talks about how they fought for their independence, but who did they fight and defeat to become independent? They were fighting for independence (among other things) in The War of the 5 Kings, but they lost. Then they fought a civil war against the Boltons but that was to retake control of the North from another Northern house. Then they fought and defeated the White Walkers which of course had nothing to do with Northern independence.

So all the other leaders back Bran Stark and then his own sister says no? Right...

 

[Stakesarehigh]

Great story lines & exciting episodes. The recipe for a great show.
But I think it inherently paints writers into a corner.

Arguably the greatest show ever "LOST" has probably the most loose ends
of any show ever made.

Maybe you can't have one without the other.



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I thought about Lost as well in regards to this and it's funny the amount of disbelief one had to suspend for Lost to make any kind of sense much less worry about why the Polar Bear was there.

Some of the miniutae would be boring tv to explain

 

[Mofo]

Great story lines & exciting episodes. The recipe for a great show.
But I think it inherently paints writers into a corner.

Arguably the greatest show ever "LOST" has probably the most loose ends
of any show ever made.

Maybe you can't have one without the other.



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LOST painted itself into a corner by blatantly lying to its viewers. "No, it's not Purgatory!" they told fans early on. Several style-but-no-substance episodes later, in the finale, the big reveal is yeah, it's been Purgatory all along. About the only worse way to treat your fans is the St. Elsewhere / Life on Mars ending, where the show admits that everything you just saw was a fake plot line in the mind of an autistic / computer.