Forrest Lamp at #17

[skinsdad62]

So you saying we can get a difference maker RB in the 2nd or 3rd round? Maybe... But unless Mixon slips and we draft him... I have my doubts

there are a couple of good all around backs coming out that i have seen film on who can be 1000 yd runners for us

 

[Sharkinva]

there are a couple of good all around backs coming out that i have seen film on who can be 1000 yd runners for us

OH I agree. I just dont see a back outside of Fortnette, Cook or Mixon that is more than serviceable. Kelly can get us 1000 yards if we give him enough carries. I want a 1300 yard plus kind of guy that Defenses have no choice but to respect. With the way we are loading up at WR, Im hoping for a back that makes teams think.... we cant drop eight in coverage because this guy will make us pay big time.

 

[ehb5]

So you saying we can get a difference maker RB in the 2nd or 3rd round? Maybe... But unless Mixon slips and we draft him... I have my doubts

But that's the thing. You can 90% of a difference makers production with a later pick. Plus then you can let him walk when his rookie contract is up. I don't wanna be Dallas when Zekes rookie deal is done. Especially considering they'd still have a dominant rushing attack if they had just taken Jordan Howard or Derrick Henry with a later pick last year instead.

 

[skinsdad62]

OH I agree. I just dont see a back outside of Fortnette, Cook or Mixon that is more than serviceable. Kelly can get us 1000 yards if we give him enough carries. I want a 1300 yard plus kind of guy that Defenses have no choice but to respect. With the way we are loading up at WR, Im hoping for a back that makes teams think.... we cant drop eight in coverage because this guy will make us pay big time.

i said thousand because of them being rookies . i will say this there are 2 guys not named mixon who arent on the fans radar that can be guys who can finish runs and score tds

 

[Sharkinva]

But that's the thing. You can 90% of a difference makers production with a later pick. Plus then you can let him walk when his rookie contract is up. I don't wanna be Dallas when Zekes rookie deal is done. Especially considering they'd still have a dominant rushing attack if they had just taken Jordan Howard or Derrick Henry with a later pick last year instead.

Yea, you could. But Im not sold on forcing a defensive pick simply because the defense needs more work. As I have mentioned, I think this defense is 3 years and a real DC away from becoming decent. So if the choice is between a Defensive player that will make our defense slightly less shitty, or a RB that would make our offense borderline lethal...... Im taking the RB.

As for Zeke four years from now.. Dallas is slated to have $158M in cap space... so lets say for some reason they only have 1/3rd of that..... IM not sweating resigning a RB AND the QB with $52.5M in cap space.

 

[ehb5]

Yea, you could. But Im not sold on forcing a defensive pick simply because the defense needs more work. As I have mentioned, I think this defense is 3 years and a real DC away from becoming decent. So if the choice is between a Defensive player that will make our defense slightly less shitty, or a RB that would make our offense borderline lethal...... Im taking the RB.

As for Zeke four years from now.. Dallas is slated to have $158M in cap space... so lets say for some reason they only have 1/3rd of that..... IM not sweating resigning a RB AND the QB with $52.5M in cap space.

You're right we shouldn't force a defensive pick but there will probably be a decent option available and even if there isn't there are plenty of offensive positions that aren't RB.

And no offense but no shit they have a ton of cap space then. It's 4 years from now. But they're gonna be set up to pay a shit ton to him which is not a good formula. You don't spend big on a kicker or punter and you shouldn't on a rb either. It sucks for the RBs but they're just too replaceable.

 

[Sharkinva]

You're right we shouldn't force a defensive pick but there will probably be a decent option available and even if there isn't there are plenty of offensive positions that aren't RB.

And no offense but no shit they have a ton of cap space then. It's 4 years from now. But they're gonna be set up to pay a shit ton to him which is not a good formula. You don't spend big on a kicker or punter and you shouldn't on a rb either. It sucks for the RBs but they're just too replaceable.

IM betting if Zeke becomes too expensive in 4-5 years, but he gives Dallas 1300-1600 yards a year... they aint going to be too upset over that #4 pick he cost them. Especially if he helps keep Dak Healthy and they are in the conversation for Super Bowl contention every year.

I just get the feeling we as a fan base are so zoned in on a defensive player, that the idea of picking a RB just rubs some of you the wrong way. Never mind that the best thing for Dallas' shitty defense was Dallas improving their total time of Possession and 3rd down efficiency.

 

[ehb5]

IM betting if Zeke becomes too expensive in 4-5 years, but he gives Dallas 1300-1600 yards a year... they aint going to be too upset over that #4 pick he cost them. Especially if he helps keep Dak Healthy and they are in the conversation for Super Bowl contention every year.

I just get the feeling we as a fan base are so zoned in on a defensive player, that the idea of picking a RB just rubs some of you the wrong way. Never mind that the best thing for Dallas' shitty defense was Dallas improving their total time of Possession and 3rd down efficiency.

And how many of those yards could they have had with Henry or Howard instead? The answer is at least most of them. Fact is Zeke didn't bust and they still didn't go the optimal route for their team. That's kinda the point.

As for your 2nd point. I think you try to play fan base psychologist too often. RBs just aren't that valuable. This isn't some new idea for me and I'm not locked into only defense. It's preferable but not the only option.

 

[Sharkinva]

And how many of those yards could they have had with Henry or Howard instead? The answer is at least most of them. Fact is Zeke didn't bust and they still didn't go the optimal route for their team. That's kinda the point.

As for your 2nd point. I think you try to play fan base psychologist too often. RBs just aren't that valuable. This isn't some new idea for me and I'm not locked into only defense. It's preferable but not the only option.

Without Lynch, do you really think the Sea Hawks win a Super Bowl?? Without Zeke, you can speculate that Dallas would be just as good, but I will point to 2015 when they had McFadden and finished what 3-13?? Henry and Howard are good RBs I will grant you, but Im not seeing game changer. Im not seeing a guy that teams have to respect. And simply put, we dont have that guy on roster in DC right now.

Now I agree we MIGHT be able to find that guy in the 2nd or 3rd round. But much like we spent years looking for above average to great O-lineman in the later rounds... at what point do you decide.. .this guy can be special and just take him. I agree if there is a difference maker on defense at 17, we take him. But if there is a difference maker at RB there at 17.... I for one wont shed a single tear if we take him.

 

[redskin4209]

Easy Leonard Fournette

Fournette Yea I noticed that when I made my pick. But JONATHAN ALLEN is my pick here. Yea I now people have concerns about his labrum issues and he is slipping in most of the mock drafts I see. Kind of reminds me of Leonard Williams in the 2015 draft who had the same concerns. Allen posted 21 reps on the bench press at the NFL combine while Williams did not bench press at he 2015 nfl combine b/c of labrum tears If not ALLEN it would be Lamp. After the combine Lamp has been added to my wish list at 17.

 

[redskin4209]

Anybody recall how the play of Cousins and our O-line working together kept sacks down? Well I'm convinced that a premier Running back will do the same in the run and passing game as far as production goes. Lamp would be a really good pick there, however, he won't give us the bang with the current guys at RB that Fournette or Mixon would with our current O-line. I'm flipping a coin, heads Mixon, tails Fournette. ( I get a do-over if it comes up tails)

If we draft Mixon in the 2nd rd or the 3rd rd I'm doing back flips. But I see at least 4 other backs I like in the later rds Sty. Skins drafting Mixon is only wishful thinking.

 

[Sharkinva]

Easy Leonard Fournette

If Fournette is there at 17, thats called a no brainer.

 

[redskin4209]

any reason we couldn't see our options, lol???

Now I know you should have your own wish

 

[countryroads316]

If Fournette and Allen is sitting there at 17 I'm picking Fournette there are stud defensive linemen through the first 4 rounds of the draft

 

[gkekoa]

Yea, you could. But Im not sold on forcing a defensive pick simply because the defense needs more work. As I have mentioned, I think this defense is 3 years and a real DC away from becoming decent. So if the choice is between a Defensive player that will make our defense slightly less shitty, or a RB that would make our offense borderline lethal...... Im taking the RB.

As for Zeke four years from now.. Dallas is slated to have $158M in cap space... so lets say for some reason they only have 1/3rd of that..... IM not sweating resigning a RB AND the QB with $52.5M in cap space.

4 years from now they won't have that. Dak will have his rookie contract expire in 3 more years. How about the rest of their OL? How about Dez?

 

[Sharkinva]

4 years from now they won't have that. Dak will have his rookie contract expire in 3 more years. How about the rest of their OL? How about Dez?

Four years from now I suspect they will have 1/3rd of that. And again.. even if they cant resign him, you think they are really going to be upset over spending the #4 pick if Zeke gives them an average of 1400 yards a year and helps keep Dak healthy. Some how I dont think they will be too upset.

 

[Sharkinva]

Seriously though.... Dallas gave up the #4 pick in the draft for a rookie who was the #1 rusher in the league, and the primary reason why Skins fans are flipping their shit that we NEED to improve our own run defense. Do you really think the Cowboys biggest concern right now is.. oh my god whats it going to cost to sign Zeke in four years??

Nope, they are saying, what do we need to improve in order to get to and win the Super bowl in the next 3-4 years... And fuck we know we aint got to worry about the RB position.

 

[Sleepy T]

RB should not be off the table. If somehow Cook is there, he should be in the conversation. Maybe even Mixon?

Hopefully they will just stick the board and take BPA at a need. This team has plenty of needs and a really good player should be there at 17, Reddick, Foster, Cook, Fournette, Lamp, someone.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

there was a rb at the combine that mayock compared to maruice jones drew he called him a bowling bowl but i can not remeber the rbs name or where he played auburn maybe idk ok its rb hernderson check out is video

 

[skinsdad62]

If it's Allen vs an rb. I take Allen , then grab obi then jones then a rb. , then vanderdos