Foles Opting Out

[NWPATSFAN]

The big question is will Philly now tag Foles. I know Philly is high on Sudfeld but he has almost zero experience. He did shread Dallas and outplay Dak in his last regular season game

It doesn't matter. Foldz is gone just like in the playoffs this year.

You'd better hope he doesn't get tagged. If he does you'd better hope he or Wince get traded this off season otherwise the Eagles are FUCKRD.

Suddfeld is your back up get used to it.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

In that regard you are right but it has NOTHING to do with my point. But my point was people were saying Philly are being dicks for blocking Foles ability to make tons of money and choose his own team EXACTLY like teams block a players ability to make tons and choose their own team. Your point about them playing on their team has nothing to do with my point. That’s a different discussion and topic.
Again, it’s like saying “Philly are dicks for blocking Foles from a large multi year contract and to play for the team he chooses. But it’s OK to block a players right to get a large multi year deal for the team he chooses if they stay on the same team. That doesn’t make sense.

Why can't you grasp your team is holding a back up from these choices.
He's not the starter nor the franchise player. If he were pay him and move on.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Why can't you grasp your team is holding a back up from these choices.
He's not the starter nor the franchise player. If he were pay him and move on.

So it’s OK to do to a starter but not a back up. Makes sense

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

But it is different. You can say those teams are blocking their players but their reason for doing what they did was because they wanted those players on their team. They used their powers within the contracts and league rules to have those players put on their uniform and win them games. That is how the league works or you have every player going ot the highest bidder every year. Philly may be doing the same with Foles with regards to keeping him from going where he wants but their reason for doing it has nothing to do with wanting him on their team and that is why it is different. They are strictly doing it to move him for the best return. They may give him some say in where he goes but they are signing him with no desire to have him be on their team. Again, I don't have a problem with it but it is not the same.

I don’t really think it’s that different but I do see your point. But you’re still saying it’s ok to block him from going where he wants but to me that’s the same thing your doing with franchised players. I don’t see how it really different if you want him or your team or not. Philly is also using their power for what’s in their contract. Again...

People are saying Philly is doing a dick move because they are blocking him from making huge money and choosing who the play for and that’s the EXACT same thing as picking up a 5th year or franchising players. Whether it’s to play for you or someone else seems completely irrelevant. It’s the exact same thing. You are using your contractual rights to block them from being free. I don’t see why it’s different because one is keeping him on your team and one isn’t. You are blocking them within your rights from them having their own choice.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Why can't you grasp your team is holding a back up from these choices.
He's not the starter nor the franchise player. If he were pay him and move on.

I can grasp that and I understand completely they are holding him back from those choices... just like when teams pick up a 5th year option or franchise them. They are holding them back from their own choices.

 

[dbldwn711]

I don’t really think it’s that different but I do see your point. But you’re still saying it’s ok to block him from going where he wants but to me that’s the same thing your doing with franchised players. I don’t see how it really different if you want him or your team or not. Philly is also using their power for what’s in their contract. Again...

People are saying Philly is doing a dick move because they are blocking him from making huge money and choosing who the play for and that’s the EXACT same thing as picking up a 5th year or franchising players. Whether it’s to play for you or someone else seems completely irrelevant. It’s the exact same thing. You are using your contractual rights to block them from being free. I don’t see why it’s different because one is keeping him on your team and one isn’t. You are blocking them within your rights from them having their own choice.

It’s different bc they don’t intend to keep Foles but in the other scenarios you’ve laid out the club intends on keeping the player.

THAT was the intent of the franchise tag. Using the franchise tag to restrict/limit the movements of players the club does NOT intend to keep is a perversion of the rule

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

It’s different bc they don’t intend to keep Foles but in the other scenarios you’ve laid out the club intends on keeping the player.

THAT was the intent of the franchise tag. Using the franchise tag to restrict/limit the movements of players the club does NOT intend to keep is a perversion of the rule

Possibly. Might not even be legal evidently but the outcome is exactly the same.

 

[dbldwn711]

Possibly. Might not even be legal evidently but the outcome is exactly the same.

There’s no “possibly” about it. It’s different. You asked “how is it different”. That’s how.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

There’s no “possibly” about it. It’s different. You asked “how is it different”. That’s how.

Yeah but that doesn’t change my point. My point was you said the Eagles are fucking Foles cause they are blocking him from UFA just like when teams pick up a 5th year option or exercise the franchise tag. Whether you plan on keeping them or not is completely irrelevant

 

[dbldwn711]

Yeah but that doesn’t change my point. My point was you said the Eagles are fucking Foles cause they are blocking him from UFA just like when teams pick up a 5th year option or exercise the franchise tag. Whether you plan on keeping them or not is completely irrelevant

Show me where I said “the eagles are fucking Foles”...

You’re a fucking liar.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Show me where I said “the eagles are fucking Foles”...

You’re a fucking liar.

Maybe you didn’t but that was the gist of the thread. Others were saying that.
Nobody is a fucking liar. I just assumed you were with the others. Calm down or take a Valium bro

 

[dbldwn711]

Maybe you didn’t but that was the gist of the thread. Others were saying that.

MAYBE???

You’re a fucking liar!!

 

[Schmoopy1000]

I can grasp that and I understand completely they are holding him back from those choices... just like when teams pick up a 5th year option or franchise them. They are holding them back from their own choices.

5th year option & Fran tags are completely different.
A rookie contract for a 1st round pick is a 5 year contract for that player. So a team isnt holding him back from making nothing. That is like saying after a vet signs a contract, & decides he wants to redo his contract before it is over, that's the teams fault. That makes no sense. 1st four years are attached to the teams cap. which is why the team has an option to release the 5th year if that player isnt playing well. So the 5th year wont count against the cap. Again for the player it is a 5 year contract. He wasnt blocked from anything.

Franchise tags are for holding onto a player. Keeping him on your team. As soon as you start using the tag to manipulate his future with another team. (meaning you werent planning on keeping him) You are now breaking CBA rules.

A team using a fran tag to keep bell, D-Law, Cousins or whoever is doing it to better their roster. Which is what it is for.

Trying to use it to dictate to a player you plan on getting rid of is a dick move.

Can you see the difference?

& Rookie contracts shouldnt even be brought up in your analogy.

 

[dbldwn711]

5th year option & Fran tags are completely different.
A rookie contract for a 1st round pick is a 5 year contract for that player. So a team isnt holding him back from making nothing. That is like saying after a vet signs a contract, & decides he wants to redo his contract before it is over, that's the teams fault. That makes no sense. 1st four years are attached to the teams cap. which is why the team has an option to release the 5th year if that player isnt playing well. So the 5th year wont count against the cap. Again for the player it is a 5 year contract. He wasnt blocked from anything.

Franchise tags are for holding onto a player. Keeping him on your team. As soon as you start using the tag to manipulate his future with another team. (meaning you werent planning on keeping him) You are now breaking CBA rules.

A team using a fran tag to keep bell, D-Law, Cousins or whoever is doing it to better their roster. Which is what it is for.

Trying to use it to dictate to a player you plan on getting rid of is a dick move.

Can you see the difference?

& Rookie contracts shouldnt even be brought up in your analogy.

No... he can’t see the difference.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

BTW I dont think he will get Franchised Tagged.
If he does. He already says he loves the Eagles. All he does is not negotiate. he is on the team another year with a raise of 25 mil. & the Eagles get screwed. (& he gets to stick around)

Only way it could happen is if he tells the eagles this is the team I want to play for & the three get together & come to a deal before he is ever Fran tagged.

Otherwise I don't see any chance of it happening.

As far as getting a comp pick. Someone was talking of wanting picks now & not in 2020.
Things I read (& I am no guru on the subject) is that the 2020 draft is speculated to being a better draft than this years.
Why not wait & get the pick for 2020?

 

[handicappers]

None. So what? That changes nothing. Why do you continually insulting me is pointless and just shows you have no ability to construct a counter argument

Oh get bent you tool. Everybody has tried that avenue with you and you still spew stupid shit. "construct a counter argument"? there is no constructing, you set it up on a silver platter, all ready to go.

fuck you're a moron.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

So it’s OK to do to a starter but not a back up. Makes sense

Yes, a starter/player you actually intend on keeping on your team.

 

[NWPATSFAN]

I can grasp that and I understand completely they are holding him back from those choices... just like when teams pick up a 5th year option or franchise them. They are holding them back from their own choices.

No that's not the same.

 

[GhostOfPoverty]

You sound like black people crying about trading McNabb to Washington...

Well.. that escalated quickly.

 

[SU Nittany Tide]

One has to wonder if the treatment of Foles here will make others think twice about signing option deals NFL wide, especially with Philly or those you have to pay to get out?

Foles and the eagles are on good terms. You guys are ridiculous.