Foles Opting Out

[SteelersPride]

It seems you disagree or are not convinced.

I am looking for realistic alternatives 'doing right by Foles' - to what is happening now, and I cannot see them.

BTW, the deal Foles signed in april, with the mutual option clause, gave Foles pretty much 6 or 7 million as a base, and he could earn up to $ 14 million more in bonuses and incentives. I think he made much of that $ 14 million (and it included that $ 1 million that legally the Eagles did not owe him). The Chicago game alone IIRC netted him $ 1 million.

there was no need to make him pay 2 million, thats what im saying.

 

[SteelersPride]

Buyer Beware: Nick Foles Is QB Fool's Gold in Free Agency

of course its bleacher report, worst reporting, yahoo is even better

clever writing, he failed in st louis so hes fools gold. EVERYONE failed in st louis under that regime

 

[Hank Kingsley]

there was no need to make him pay 2 million, thats what im saying.

It ain't personal, it's just bidness.....

 

[SteelersPride]

It ain't personal, it's just bidness.....

i agree, but dont act like ur "doing right" and praise urself for it, then pull those little squabble moves

 

[Hank Kingsley]

i agree, but dont act like ur "doing right" and praise urself for it, then pull those little squabble moves

That's the bidness part. No need for anything resembling justification.

 

[SteelersPride]

That's the bidness part. No need for anything resembling justification.

i understand that. But dont pull routine business when you publicly talk about how your taking the high road

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

i agree, but dont act like ur "doing right" and praise urself for it, then pull those little squabble moves

I’m retrospect they had to to get the 2 million in cap savings which is huge in our predicament

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

5th year option & Fran tags are completely different.
A rookie contract for a 1st round pick is a 5 year contract for that player. So a team isnt holding him back from making nothing. That is like saying after a vet signs a contract, & decides he wants to redo his contract before it is over, that's the teams fault. That makes no sense. 1st four years are attached to the teams cap. which is why the team has an option to release the 5th year if that player isnt playing well. So the 5th year wont count against the cap. Again for the player it is a 5 year contract. He wasnt blocked from anything.

Franchise tags are for holding onto a player. Keeping him on your team. As soon as you start using the tag to manipulate his future with another team. (meaning you werent planning on keeping him) You are now breaking CBA rules.

A team using a fran tag to keep bell, D-Law, Cousins or whoever is doing it to better their roster. Which is what it is for.

Trying to use it to dictate to a player you plan on getting rid of is a dick move.

Can you see the difference?

& Rookie contracts shouldnt even be brought up in your analogy.

Aren’t the Eagles trying to better their roster too. What people aren’t understanding is they keep saying “Don’t you see the difference, they are different”. Yes I see that but they are exactly the same in the regards in keeping the player from getting a long term deal, with big signing bonus and the choice of where they want to play. Rookie deals are 4 years but the team can either extend it one more year or not. They are blocking the player from being a UFA just like the Eagles are doing with Foles. I do see the difference but my point is not the differences my point is they both block players from the freedom and guaranteed money and choice of where they want to play. Understand?
Demarcus Lawrence was pissed he got tagged cause Dallas blocked his ability to be a UFA just like Philly tried with Foles.

 

[Manster7588]

For all those saying this saves the Eagles 2M in 2019 cap space. The Eagles cut 18.6M off their cap, the amount would have been the same no matter if the picked up or declined the option.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Aren’t the Eagles trying to better their roster too. What people aren’t understanding is they keep saying “Don’t you see the difference, they are different”. Yes I see that but they are exactly the same in the regards in keeping the player from getting a long term deal, with big signing bonus and the choice of where they want to play. Rookie deals are 4 years but the team can either extend it one more year or not. They are blocking the player from being a UFA just like the Eagles are doing with Foles. I do see the difference but my point is not the differences my point is they both block players from the freedom and guaranteed money and choice of where they want to play. Understand?
Demarcus Lawrence was pissed he got tagged cause Dallas blocked his ability to be a UFA just like Philly tried with Foles.

Well we will have to agree to disagree.
For the player. it is a 5 year contract they sign. They are agreeing from the start of the contract that the team has their rights for 5 years. (if they wish)
A franchise tag is a whole new contract, Whether players likes it or not.
Rookie contracts & Franchise tag contracts are a 100% different.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

For all those saying this saves the Eagles 2M in 2019 cap space. The Eagles cut 18.6M off their cap, the amount would have been the same no matter if the picked up or declined the option.

interesting. I am no cap guru so I'll take your word for it. Even though that is weird to me. If they got 2 mil back, why wouldnt it go back to the cap?
But if he was cut they would lose a comp pick would they not? Or am I wrong on that too?

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Well we will have to agree to disagree.
For the player. it is a 5 year contract they sign. They are agreeing from the start of the contract that the team has their rights for 5 years. (if they wish)
A franchise tag is a whole new contract, Whether players likes it or not.
Rookie contracts & Franchise tag contracts are a 100% different.

They sign a four year deal and the team has the right to pick up a 5th year. Many teams haven’t and let the player walk so they aren’t getting a 5 year deal.
Rookie contracts and franchise tags aren’t 100%’different. They are both extending a deal an additional year and blocking the players from becoming UFA so they are alike in that regard.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

For all those saying this saves the Eagles 2M in 2019 cap space. The Eagles cut 18.6M off their cap, the amount would have been the same no matter if the picked up or declined the option.

interesting. I am no cap guru so I'll take your word for it. Even though that is weird to me. If they got 2 mil back, why wouldnt it go back to the cap?
But if he was cut they would lose a comp pick would they not? Or am I wrong on that too?

Don’t take his word for it because he is mistaken. I read it several times in articles about Foles. You are right. The two million they get back is from his 2018 year contract and rolls over to 2019. He should take the “face palms” away or use it for himself.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

They sign a four year deal and the team has the right to pick up a 5th year. Many teams haven’t and let the player walk so they aren’t getting a 5 year deal.
Rookie contracts and franchise tags aren’t 100%’different. They are both extending a deal an additional year and blocking the players from becoming UFA so they are alike in that regard.

this means for the player. He is signing a 5 year deal. Not taking the 5th year is the same as cutting a player.
If a vet signs a 4 year deal & gets cut after the 2nd year. that is the same thing. The player still signed a 4 year deal.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

this means for the player. He is signing a 5 year deal. Not taking the 5th year is the same as cutting a player.
If a vet signs a 4 year deal & gets cut after the 2nd year. that is the same thing. The player still signed a 4 year deal.

But the contract is for four years and the 5th year isn’t part of the contractual agreement. It’s part of average salaries which can’t be known what the amount is when the deal is signed. The player isn’t being cut after 4 years. They just don’t get another additional 1 year contract.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

But the contract is for four years and the 5th year isn’t part of the contractual agreement. It’s part of average salaries which can’t be known what the amount is when the deal is signed. The player isn’t being cut after 4 years. They just don’t get another additional 1 year contract.

the player signs a contract stating the team has his rights for 5 years. This should be a simple concept. Spin it however you like. Dont feel like going round & round with you on it.

Cheers!

 

[Manster7588]

Don’t take his word for it because he is mistaken. I read it several times in articles about Foles. You are right. The two million they get back is from his 2018 year contract and rolls over to 2019. He should take the “face palms” away or use it for himself.

Long before the Eagles fucked Foles they were projected to save the same money they saved just by not picking up the option.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

Long before the Eagles fucked Foles they were projected to save the same money they saved just by not picking up the option.

Yep... but that didn’t include the 2 million payback.

 

[PhoenixEagles1]

the player signs a contract stating the team has his rights for 5 years. This should be a simple concept. Spin it however you like. Dont feel like going round & round with you on it.

Cheers!

That they do... but the money they get is over 4 years. It’s a 4 year contract. The team can add an additional 1 year contract for more money on a new 1 year deal. So the players sign a 4 year contract. See... both these links were from Wentz and Ezekiel’s rookie deal “Wentz and Elliot both sign 4 year deals”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/carson-wentz-eagles-contract-details-four-years-051216?amp=true

Cowboys sign Ezekiel Elliott to $24.9 million contract

 

[Schmoopy1000]

That they do... but the money they get is over 4 years. It’s a 4 year contract. The team can add an additional 1 year contract for more money on a new 1 year deal. So the players sign a 4 year contract. See... both these links were from Wentz and Ezekiel’s rookie deal “Wentz and Elliot both sign 4 year deals”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxsports.com/nfl/story/carson-wentz-eagles-contract-details-four-years-051216?amp=true

Cowboys sign Ezekiel Elliott to $24.9 million contract

the 4 years is guaranteed.
the 5th year is a team option.
so if the team wants the option. it is a 5 year deal.
All 1st round players know they sign their rights away for 5 years if the team chooses.
If it helps you understand. Look at it this way.
A team can opt out of the 5th year if the player isnt good enough.
When a rookie signs the contract he has 4 years guaranteed. The team still owns his right for 5 years.

For the player it is a 5 year contract he cant do anything about. (well I guess they can suck)