Flames offer sheet OReilly - Updated (Matched by Colorado)

[mattola]

lol this was a possibility

Spector's Hockey ‏@SpectorsHockey
Flames could've lost O'Reilly to waivers if Avs didn't match offer sheet. Jay Feaster either gambled or bungled

Allan Walsh ‏@walsha
Imagine if Colorado didn't match offer sheet, received 1st and a 3rd, then claimed player off waivers. Not a bad haul.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

lol this was a possibility

Spector's Hockey ‏@SpectorsHockey
Flames could've lost O'Reilly to waivers if Avs didn't match offer sheet. Jay Feaster either gambled or bungled

Allan Walsh ‏@walsha
Imagine if Colorado didn't match offer sheet, received 1st and a 3rd, then claimed player off waivers. Not a bad haul.

http://www.sportshoopla.com/forums/2812533-post58.html

 

[Cmon_WTF]

ah ... article 13 (page 19) proves the above scenario was wrong ... would have been a fun turn of events though

http://cdn.agilitycms.com/nhlpacom/PDF/Summary-of-Terms-1-10-13.pdf

The statement that Calgary would have had to put ROR on waivers is correct. The only way for Calgary to aquire ROR and not have to put him through waivers was to trade for him then sign him. Offer sheets are not considered the same as trades by the CBA despite the exchange of compensatory picks.

Daly has also confirmed that he would have had to be put on wiavers.

 

[dash]

WOW ... could u imagine??? (i said that in Bryzgalov voice)

Jay Feaster might consider sending Greg Sherman a thank-you note. Or perhaps a fine bottle of wine.

The general manager of the Colorado Avalanche appears to have inadvertently done the Calgary Flames a big favour by choosing to match the offer sheet signed by 22-year-old centre Ryan O’Reilly on Thursday.

In a bizarre twist to an already unusual story, Sportsnet.ca has discovered that the Flames were not only in danger of losing 2013 first- and third-round draft picks as compensation if the Avs hadn’t matched the O’Reilly contract, but they also would likely have had to surrender the player before ever getting him in uniform.

That’s because O’Reilly would have needed to clear waivers before joining the team’s roster.

The unsigned forward spent part of the NHL lockout playing with his brother, Cal, for Magnitogorsk in Russia. According to Metallurg coach Paul Maurice and KHL spokesman Shawn McBride, he appeared in games on Jan. 21 and Jan. 23 – both after the shortened NHL schedule was back underway – which meant that waivers were required before O’Reilly could return to the NHL as a free agent midway through the season.

Proving once again that when it comes to news, Sportsnet is the Eklund of Canadian tv networks.

 

[jstewismybastardson]

The statement that Calgary would have had to put ROR on waivers is correct. The only way for Calgary to aquire ROR and not have to put him through waivers was to trade for him then sign him. Offer sheets are not considered the same as trades by the CBA despite the exchange of compensatory picks.

Daly has also confirmed that he would have had to be put on wiavers.

yah i know that now ... someone (eklund) floated a falsely attributed Bill Daly quote this morning saying he wouldnt have to go through waivers

and theres this

“@bruce_arthur: Ryan O'Reilly's agent, Pat Morris, said he didn't know his client would head to waivers if Colorado didn't match.”

 

[jstewismybastardson]

Proving once again that when it comes to news, Sportsnet is the Eklund of Canadian tv networks.

but its true dash ... he would have had to go through waivers

 

[Cmon_WTF]

yah i know that now ... someone (eklund) floated a falsely attributed Bill Daly quote this morning saying he wouldnt have to go through waivers

and theres this

“@bruce_arthur: Ryan O'Reilly's agent, Pat Morris, said he didn't know his client would head to waivers if Colorado didn't match.”

It's pretty sad that I could take a quick look at an Addendum to the CBA and figure it out but his agent didn't know.

 

[dash]

but its true dash ... he would have had to go through waivers

Oh, I must have read that wrong - Geez, that could be grounds for dismissal.

 

[esls79]

After seeing how this scenario has played out, is there a bigger joke of a division than the NW? Obviously these two GM's both didn't fully know the laws, then you have Minnesota investing 200 million on two players and don't even get me started on Lowebellini.

Geez, Mike Gillis is a fricking Rhode Scholar compared to his peers.

 

[MadCaptain]

Does this mean that in order for Colorado to keep ROR they will need to pay him $6.5 million for the next 7 years?

They will need to keep giving him a qualifying offer to keep RFA eligibility and the offer has to be atleast 100% of the previous year.

 

[puckhead]

Does this mean that in order for Colorado to keep ROR they will need to pay him $6.5 million for the next 7 years?

They will need to keep giving him a qualifying offer to keep RFA eligibility and the offer has to be atleast 100% of the previous year.

no. qualifying offer is only required when he is RFA.
after this current deal is over, he has 2 years until he is UFA.

there is a possibility he gets lower than his QO, if they go to arbitration and he loses.
minimum would still be 80% of QO, I believe.

 

[dash]

Oh, I must have read that wrong - Geez, that could be grounds for dismissal.

73% of respondents to a poll on Calgarypuck feel Feaster should be fired for this CBA oversight (235 people have voted thus far).

 

[MadCaptain]

no. qualifying offer is only required when he is RFA.
after this current deal is over, he has 2 years until he is UFA.

there is a possibility he gets lower than his QO, if they go to arbitration and he loses.
minimum would still be 80% of QO, I believe.

I was trying to look for the UFA age and thought it went up a year to 28. I don't know too much about that stuff though.

Also, with the QO, I thought the offer had to be atleast the previous season's value and ROR will almost assuredly sign the QO if its 6.5 million each year. Doesn't arbitration only occur if he were to not sign the QO?

 

[mattola]

Steve Tambellini ‏@FakeOilersGM
I wonder if my $5M cap hit Ales Hemsky extension is still the "funniest thing" @NHLFlames "has heard in a long, long time".

 

[jstewismybastardson]

 

[mattola]

I really cant think Feaster was this dumb.


thank god for Gillman

 

[jstewismybastardson]

I really cant think Feaster was this dumb.


thank god for Gillman

 

[jstewismybastardson]

i joke but Gillis/Gilman shat the bed on losing Volpatti

 

[KennyBanyeah]

So....


Does ROR have to go through waivers in order to play for the Avs now?

Maybe hadonetoomany Feasters was on to something.

 

[mattola]

i joke but Gillis/Gilman shat the bed on losing Volpatti

lol time to move on from that one. what if sestito plays well
gillis also said that they may have a chance to reclaim Volpatti on Waivers. he thinks Wash may put him on waivers this season.

its all weird