Fire Mattingly

[SJ20]

The Dodgers will never win a championship under Mattingly. Move on from that. This season was a complete failure. Forget winning the World Series, the Dodgers didn't even get there. Yet the Gnats won it all 2 of the past 3 seasons. Now we have to wait until Ned and Mattingly are fired to win something.

 

[Silas]

Mattingly isn't going any where.

 

[sublime4eva]

Hanley's an idiot for raising his arm and getting hit in the ribs. But Hanley was clearly our best player. Puig got all the credit but this tam took off when Hanley returned from the DL.

Yes, Kershaw is our best pitcher and the best pitcher in the majors. However, he didn't have it today and Mattingly hung him out to dry. But it didn't matter who started for us. We couldn't score. Hanley is our best source of offense and he probably shouldn't have even been on the field cause he was clearly hurting. Again, on Mattingly and the coaching staff.

Yes, I'm sure Hanley raised his arm on purpose. ...smh

 

[SJ20]

Mattingly can't manage!

 

[SJ20]

Yes, I'm sure Hanley raised his arm on purpose. ...smh

Did I say re raised it on purpose? If he hadn't, he wouldn't have taken it in the rib.

 

[CatsTopPac]

Donnie isn't the reason we didn't get to the WS. The real reason is because LA had so many injuries (especially at the beginning of the season), so by the time they got clicking enough to dig ourselves out of the hole they were in, the season was over before they could win home-field advantage throughout. They probably would have swept the Braves, and had an extra day of rest for Kershaw so he could start game one of the NLCS, and do it in LA. Greinke would have went game two, and Ryu would have gone game three in StL. Injuries to Hanley, Eithier and Kemp would not have held LA back, and the other reason LA lost -hits with RISP- would not have been so devastating. Given the fact that LA wasn't outhit in any playoff games until the final game, it would have all given them a much better shot at winning. With home-field advantage, hitting with RISP, and less injuries, LA would still be playing. None of that is Mattingly's fault. Not to play the "what if" game, but just to point out that the weaknesses of LA did not rest on Mattingly. LA led baseball in the playoff until that last game in BA, ERA, and the second most runs (one behind Boston). Seems like Mattingly did a pretty good job to me. Not having homefield, not hitting with RISP, and having nagging injuries are what hurt the team.

 

[SJ20]

You could have Mattingly manage a healthy NL All Star team in the playoffs and he wouldn't win it all. He can't even get to the World Series. Not as a player. Not as a manager. Not as a coach. The guy will never win a championship.

 

[SJ20]

Of course it's not all on Donnie. But he can't manage. He's bad. The Dodger teams from 08 and 09 went just as far with lower payrolls. Everyone has injuries. No excuse. Kemp and Ethier haven't done squat in the NLCS before anyways. We beat a one-dimensional Braves team who won a horrible NL East and had no starting pitching. This season was another letdown. And there will be more until Ned and Donnie are let go.

 

[CatsTopPac]

Eh, and everyone was saying that Greinke was disastrous in the playoffs because of 2011. He did very well this year in the postseason. I don't think that you can compare what someone did 5 years ago to what they can do now. And comparing Mattingly as a manager with anything he did as a player is just ridiculous. He was one player on the Yankees who were mediocre when he played. That isn't an indication of his ability to coach a team to a WS. Didn't he get a ring with Torre as a Yankee coach in 2009? That's at least more applicable than anything he did as a player, because at least he was a coach, if not the manager. And as far as injuries go, I clearly stated that every team has injuries. I am well aware of the fact. But when you have 18 players on the DL in the first two months, that is completely out of the ordinary, and far more than any can expect to succeed with. And when the best hitter in your line-up has 6 extra base hits in the first four games in the playoffs and then suffers a broken rib and clearly struggles thereafter, it matters, and it's going to affect the lineup.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not making excuses. The Dodgers didn't get it done. But when LA got healthy, the absolutely went nuts (and when I mean healthy, that still means that Kemp, Beckett, Lilly, Bills, and Beckett made little to no contributions due to injury). Ryu, Ethier, Crawford, Hanley, Puig, and Capuano all still got injured after the team "got healthy". But it's still so much more healthy than they were in the first two months. Seriously, the only players either in the rotation or as starters on the team who didn't suffer an injury at any time of the year were Kershaw, Ellis, and A-Gon. Out of an entire roster (minus the bullpen), that's it. That's more than any normal injuries a team plays through in a season. Entire line-ups and rotations had to adjust all season. Mattingly had 60 different line-ups in the first 63 games. When has that ever happened before? There is no opportunity for players to settle into a role when it's musical chairs out there. I understand that teams suffer injuries, but when it disrupts every aspect of the game, it's extremely difficult to be successful.

Mattingly wasn't perfect by any stretch. But if he had a more stable lineup in the first two months (not everyone healthy, but also not having half of a 40 man roster make it through the season without an injury) I have to believe the LA would have won another 5-6 games and gotten homefield advantage. And if they had homefield advantage, Hanley healthy, and even just Either or Kemp, I think that they would have not lost the first two games in LA, and would have not only outhit StL (which they did anyway), but they would have gotten the crucial hits with RISP. Again, considering everything that the Dodgers overcame this season, lasting to game 6 of the NLCS is a great finish.

 

[Villain]

No, do not fire Mattingly.

 

[SJ20]

I applaud your optimism CatsTopPac, but I just feel like this franchise wont win anything under Donnie or Ned.

Torre managed the Dodgers in 2009. Don Mattingly has never even been to a World Series as a player, coach or manager.

This franchise is in championship or bust mode. We didn't even get to the World Series. The season was a failure.

 

[Silas]

I applaud your optimism CatsTopPac, but I just feel like this franchise wont win anything under Donnie or Ned.

Torre managed the Dodgers in 2009. Don Mattingly has never even been to a World Series as a player, coach or manager.

This franchise is in championship or bust mode. We didn't even get to the World Series. The season was a failure.

Who would you look to hire if Mattingly is let go ( which I do not see happening)?

 

[SJ20]

Who would you look to hire if Mattingly is let go ( which I do not see happening)?

I'd prefer Scioscia. I really think he could get this team to the top. I'd take LaRussa. And as a complete wildcard, a guy like Hershiser who really knows the game and was a winner.

 

[Old1949]

We didn't even get to the World Series. The season was a failure.

Get real man. 26 other teams would have traded places with the Dodgers in an instant. They were one of the last 4 teams standing. I don't see how you figure an A- grade is a failing grade. Or maybe you think everyone but the class valedictorian is a failure too. Do you really think the 4 million or so fans that attended Dodgers home games this year believe the season was a failure? I don't hear any of them calling for Mattingly's head because we didn't win 2 more games. The people who own the Dodgers are smart people. They didn't get to be multi-billionaires by being dumb. And they've already said they're not firing Mattingly.

 

[SJ20]

Get real man. 26 other teams would have traded places with the Dodgers in an instant. They were one of the last 4 teams standing. I don't see how you figure an A- grade is a failing grade. Or maybe you think everyone but the class valedictorian is a failure too. Do you really think the 4 million or so fans that attended Dodgers home games this year believe the season was a failure? I don't hear any of them calling for Mattingly's head because we didn't win 2 more games. The people who own the Dodgers are smart people. They didn't get to be multi-billionaires by being dumb. And they've already said they're not firing Mattingly.

First of all, quit being a homer. The Pirates had a good season. The Dodgers did not. The Pirates didn't have a winning season in 21 years and accomplished a lot this season. The Dodgers spent way too much money to lose in the NLCS again. The same NLCS they failed to win in 2008 and 2009. Yet the SF Gnats won 2 of the past 3 World Series with a much smaller payroll. The Gnats also were able to win NLCS' over the Phillies and Cardinals who we can not beat in the NLCS.

The fan know we're spending money and going to have a good team so of course they will go. Some need to get out of the house. Others need to be entertained. That's great. I'm calling for Mattingly's job because he can not manage. The Dodgers will NOT win a championship under him. Either you can't comprehend this or you're a closet Yankees fan?

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

 

[LALakersboy24.7]

Don you need to shut the fuck up. You already did alot of stupid moves all year that a 5 year old could of done much better. Not to mention the stupid move you did in Game 1 vs the Cards replacing Agon with Gordon & by doing this you took the bat away from Hanley. You will be lucky to even comeback after opening your mouth today you BUM!!

And in case you forgot you are a lame duck stupid

Dodgers News: Don Mattingly Doesn't Want To Be "Lame Duck" Manager | Dodgers Nation

 

[Old1949]

The Pirates had a good season. The Dodgers did not... Either you can't comprehend this or you're a closet Yankees fan?

I give up. It's hopeless.

 

[Old1949]

Don you need to shut the fuck up.http://www.dodgersnation.com/dodger...oesnt-want-to-be-lame-duck-manager/2013/10/21

I don't know what motivated Don to say what he apparently did, but it wasn't too smart. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say the media has blown his words out of proportion. I don't believe the owners will fire him, but if he insists on a big multi-year contract, they just may let him walk. His performance over the past 3 years doesn't warrant being fired, but on the other hand, he still hasn't proven himself either. The jury's still out, so to speak. I'm sure the owners have been and continue to look at all options.

 

[SJ20]

Don can go manage a stupid team with no expectations like he Marlins. The Dodgers need a real manager with experience who the guys believe in.