SteelersPride
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yeah y look at data....You're being a dope just to argue.
Keenan has been WR8, 12 and 3 the last three years.
Ekeler RB6, 24, 45
"In situations." Lol
yeah y look at data....You're being a dope just to argue.
Keenan has been WR8, 12 and 3 the last three years.
Ekeler RB6, 24, 45
"In situations." Lol
You're really having trouble here. Three years of data: 8,12, 3 vs 6, 24, 45.yeah y look at data....
right......You're really having trouble here. Three years of data: 8,12, 3 vs 6, 24, 45.
That data also matches exactly with what I said above. Somehow you still lost your shit over it.
Well I'll just reiterate from earlier, Cooper was basically a one legged receiver for most of the season, none of those numbers, in my opinion, are indicative of what he could do if %100, home or away.holy shit, Amari Cooper is the total embodiment/WR version of the old "BigBen is only good at home" fantasy rule
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would love to hear some thoughts on why people think this is going on with the Dak-Coop connection
Dak's splits aren't nearly as extreme, but do favor the friendly confines of the billion dollar stadium, especially when it comes to scoring
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1) I think it is a little easier to run on the road than pass - the timing for OL at home is typically a lot better than on the road, so this makes a bit of sense to me
a. If you have a RB like Zeke and you've paid him, gotta feed him if you aren't getting as great of QB play on the road.
2) Cooper's only 4 games over 100yds were all at home, so of course we'll see the splits play out this way, but where does he go in road games?
a. 49% of his yards and 38% of his TDs came in those 4 games - this really speaks to the ups and downs you need to expect, cause you aren't ever benching cooper unless you're insane
b. If I had cooper, I'd prob treat him as more of a flex play, and would want some higher floor WRs in the supporting cast to even things out a bit. I don't think you'll fair well throughout the full season if you have all boom/bust guys, but could be wrong there - no data to support my thoughts
3) does the crowd noise impact WRs in particular, or is that more of an impact on OL and QB, with WR production being the output/result vs the cause?
comparison
Gallup
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TDs (unpredictable) are down, but rec and yards (predictable) are pretty much the same
Elliot
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also pretty damn close to even no matter where they play
been a lot of talk about this offense and the impacts of Lamb and what not. One of the best offenses from a fantasy perspective last year and they run a TON of plays, so thought this might just bring up some interesting convo. Looked into this after Harold's Diontae vs Gallup dynasty question so thought I'd share
Well I'll just reiterate from earlier, Cooper was basically a one legged receiver for most of the season, none of those numbers, in my opinion, are indicative of what he could do if %100, home or away.
I'm not saying he should get a pass altogether, just saying the production was hampered by something he had no control over. Its not a lack of ability, or lack of desire, or home or away, he was simply playing injured more often than not. And the really odd thing is, it was still his best season, statistically, of his career. Can only imagine what could be possible, but last year is closer to a floor in that offense than a ceilingIt's a rough sport, I don't buy too much into the "he played hurt last yr" narratives as far as that indicating someone will perform better next yr. He's gonna get banged up again and will have to decide to play through or sit out. You can't catch 8-10 passes in a game and not take a few shots in the process.
People dogged Bruce and Holt for diving after catches saying they were soft. Nope, they were smart, no way Holt leads the league in rec yards for the 1st decade of 2000's if he gets cleaned up by a safety trying to get an extra yard
I think they're searching for a WR.
This might be a flaw in the PFR data.Manny Sanders was drafted ahead of Antonio Brown and considered the better prospect by damn near everyone at the time. Crazy he didn't even make the top 14 list for rookie WR production.
jeesh do i have tooholy shit, Amari Cooper is the total embodiment/WR version of the old "BigBen is only good at home" fantasy rule
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would love to hear some thoughts on why people think this is going on with the Dak-Coop connection
Dak's splits aren't nearly as extreme, but do favor the friendly confines of the billion dollar stadium, especially when it comes to scoring
View attachment 243512
1) I think it is a little easier to run on the road than pass - the timing for OL at home is typically a lot better than on the road, so this makes a bit of sense to me
a. If you have a RB like Zeke and you've paid him, gotta feed him if you aren't getting as great of QB play on the road.
2) Cooper's only 4 games over 100yds were all at home, so of course we'll see the splits play out this way, but where does he go in road games?
a. 49% of his yards and 38% of his TDs came in those 4 games - this really speaks to the ups and downs you need to expect, cause you aren't ever benching cooper unless you're insane
b. If I had cooper, I'd prob treat him as more of a flex play, and would want some higher floor WRs in the supporting cast to even things out a bit. I don't think you'll fair well throughout the full season if you have all boom/bust guys, but could be wrong there - no data to support my thoughts
3) does the crowd noise impact WRs in particular, or is that more of an impact on OL and QB, with WR production being the output/result vs the cause?
comparison
Gallup
View attachment 243513
TDs (unpredictable) are down, but rec and yards (predictable) are pretty much the same
Elliot
View attachment 243514
also pretty damn close to even no matter where they play
been a lot of talk about this offense and the impacts of Lamb and what not. One of the best offenses from a fantasy perspective last year and they run a TON of plays, so thought this might just bring up some interesting convo. Looked into this after Harold's Diontae vs Gallup dynasty question so thought I'd share
I also don't see Lamb straight up unseating anyone in year one. Not unless he's more gifted than hes been given credit for. But..if he handles the #3 well enough this year, to show that hes capable of the #2 role, then with Gallup being a UFA at the end of '21, Dallas would be stupid to not shop Gallup for something. Once they finally pay Dak, they aren't going to pay 2 WR's big money, one of them will have to go, and if they trade Gallup with a year left on his rookie deal, they'll get helluvalot more for him than if they wait and have no leverage, or worse, nothing at all if they let him walk.More and more I'm looking into the Dallas WR group, the more and more I come away liking Gallup
Am I going crazy due to the pandemic and civil unrest? (Rhetorical question, the fantasy forum isn't the place, only football or non-political discussions here)
Is CeeDee Lamb a better WR prospect than Mike Williams, drafted 7th overall a few yrs back?
If so, why? (Not rhetorical, pls feel free to chime in)
Mike Williams didn't unseat Allen for the chargers, at least not yet. Have a hard time seeing Lamb unseat Gallup in a year without a regular off season. And Coop only shows up once every 4 games, so that leaves tremendous opportunity for Gallup.
Thoughts?