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[Barilko]

9 teams and 7 kids born in 7 different cities....what a guy Fitzmagic is right

 

[Shanemansj13]

I thought it was up to 23.

24

 

[Shanemansj13]

24

I heard Baker accuses him of assault too. Gonna be 25 soon

 

[Bandit]

This is one of those very rare occasions I'm not speaking relative to fantasy football, and just simply football in general.

To me, you cannot be a Hall of Fame caliber player if you were never one of the elite elite at your position with you contemporaries. I mean if you were never the best, or amongst the very best, like #1 or #2 at worst #3, players at your position, during your career, how can you be considered one of the greatest of all time?

Early on, Shaun Slexander, LT, Tiki Barber, Larry Johnson, Clinton Portis, SJAX, Edge, and Willie Parker, all generally surpassed his production.
Then there was AP, Lynch, Forte, Micheal Turner, CJ2K, MJD, Ray Rice, Arian Foster, Jamal Charles, Shady, all them routinely out produced him. And after that, he's to the age were I wouldn't expect him to be amongst the best, even if he was better than all those guys at any given moment.

I mean I love the guy, mad respect for him being as productive as he was for as long as he was, but he was never in class with any of those guys (save for one single year in '06). But the HOF is supposedly an entirely different level of greatness.

This is a tough one for me because he's a Hurricane and I've always loved the guy. There were many people that thought he would never come back from the horrific knee injury he got in the National title game in 2002 and he turned into perhaps the most durable running back of the last 30 years. My gut tells me that he's in because eventually the longevity outweighs the caveat of being the best at your position. I found this interesting website Pro Football RB Hall of Fame Monitor | Pro-Football-Reference.com that is a Hall of Fame Monitor that uses a formula to calculate the chances that somebody makes the Hall of Fame and Gore is #11 all-time on the list, although he's the only one in the top 30 with 0 All Pro selections. It's an interesting chart, but I would certainly say that if Curtis Martin is in the Hall of Fame then Frank Gore deserves to be there too.

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[Shanemansj13]

The lack of TD’s is concerning too. Curtis Martin had more TD’s in only 166 games. Gore only had one double digit TD season in his entire career. I say he is borderline but he shouldn’t be in. But they will put him in, no way they don’t imo

 

[TREFF]

This is a tough one for me because he's a Hurricane and I've always loved the guy. There were many people that thought he would never come back from the horrific knee injury he got in the National title game in 2002 and he turned into perhaps the most durable running back of the last 30 years. My gut tells me that he's in because eventually the longevity outweighs the caveat of being the best at your position. I found this interesting website Pro Football RB Hall of Fame Monitor | Pro-Football-Reference.com that is a Hall of Fame Monitor that uses a formula to calculate the chances that somebody makes the Hall of Fame and Gore is #11 all-time on the list, although he's the only one in the top 30 with 0 All Pro selections. It's an interesting chart, but I would certainly say that if Curtis Martin is in the Hall of Fame then Frank Gore deserves to be there too.

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Curtis Martin was another one that I was kinda iffy on.. but he did have a rushing title...at 31 no less, multiple seasons of 10 or more TD's, an all pro.. he's a tougher one to argue against as he may not have those neon sign creditials, but he's got a lot, and not necessarily just because he hung around and was 'pretty good' for a long time. He had 10 straight seasons of extremely good-great

 

[Bandit]

The lack of TD’s is concerning too. Curtis Martin had more TD’s in only 166 games. Gore only had one double digit TD season in his entire career. I say he is borderline but he shouldn’t be in. But they will put him in, no way they don’t imo

I don't know, I have this argument with baseball a lot more than football because I'm a lot more passionate about baseball history than football, but at some point the Hall of Fames turned from being the "greatest of the great" to "really good". I was always a greatest of the great guy and I think there are a ton of people in the baseball hall of fame that don't belong either, so if we are going greatest of the great then Gore doesn't belong, but honestly there should only probably be about 10 running backs in the Hall of Fame if we go by that criteria. Since they don't use that criteria, then since he's better than some of the other running backs that are in, so he should be there.

 

[TREFF]

I don't know, I have this argument with baseball a lot more than football because I'm a lot more passionate about baseball history than football, but at some point the Hall of Fames turned from being the "greatest of the great" to "really good". I was always a greatest of the great guy and I think there are a ton of people in the baseball hall of fame that don't belong either, so if we are going greatest of the great then Gore doesn't belong, but honestly there should only probably be about 10 running backs in the Hall of Fame if we go by that criteria. Since they don't use that criteria, then since he's better than some of the other running backs that are in, so he should be there.

in that regard-
there are only 32 HB/FB's in the hall currently. (5 are listed as pure FB's- including Jim Brown, so really 27 comparable HOF'ers)

I can't speak to anyone that's in from the 50's, 60's, most of the 70's..I never watched 'em, wasn't old enough to know the difference if I had...but perhaps he was better than a few of them? I dunno. But from my era onwards-

Sweetness
Marcus Allen
Bettis
Campbell
TD (who I disagree with..wasn't active long enough imho, but certainly considered one of the best 2-3 during his time)
Dickerson
Dorsett
Faulk
C Martin (already discussed)
Barry
Emmit
Thurman
LT

That's 13 who I have experienced in my lifetime and I only have him comparable to Martin and Bettis. Comparable, not necessarily better.

Bettis is another one I'm not sold on either. Another exceptional career of accumulation, but never led the league in any meaningful categories except rush attempts,( should have one year, but that was Sanders 2k yard season and TD had 1700+ too, and both are HOF) He did have 2 1st team all pros, and a SB ring, in a game he really didn't contribute a ton to.

I hope no one takes this as truly railing on Gore, or anyone else for that matter, or being outright dismissive of others opinions...just having a discussion is all


I do agree with anyone who says he's going to be in. He will be, I have zero doubts that his numbers will gain him entry. Maybe not first or second ballot, but he'll get in.

 

[Shanemansj13]

in that regard-
there are only 32 HB/FB's in the hall currently. (5 are listed as pure FB's- including Jim Brown, so really 27 comparable HOF'ers)

I can't speak to anyone that's in from the 50's, 60's, most of the 70's..I never watched 'em, wasn't old enough to know the difference if I had...but perhaps he was better than a few of them? I dunno. But from my era onwards-

Sweetness
Marcus Allen
Bettis
Campbell
TD (who I disagree with..wasn't active long enough imho, but certainly considered one of the best 2-3 during his time)
Dickerson
Dorsett
Faulk
C Martin (already discussed)
Barry
Emmit
Thurman
LT

That's 13 who I have experienced in my lifetime and I only have him comparable to Martin and Bettis. Comparable, not necessarily better.

Bettis is another one I'm not sold on either. Another exceptional career of accumulation, but never led the league in any meaningful categories except rush attempts,( should have one year, but that was Sanders 2k yard season and TD had 1700+ too, and both are HOF) He did have 2 1st team all pros, and a SB ring, in a game he really didn't contribute a ton to.

I hope no one takes this as truly railing on Gore, or anyone else for that matter, or being outright dismissive of others opinions...just having a discussion is all


I do agree with anyone who says he's going to be in. He will be, I have zero doubts that his numbers will gain him entry. Maybe not first or second ballot, but he'll get in.

Yeah and even then Bettis won OPOY and had 2 AP selections. He probably had 5 seasons better than Gore's 2nd best season. Gore was mainly a longevity guy.

It is interesting to look at Gore's numbers from a fantasy perspective though. He finished in the top 10 RB's TWICE, #4 in 06 and #6 in 09. That certainly tells us enough information about his peak. It was lackluster.

 

[averagejoe]

But the NFL can chew average players up and spit them out from year to year - especially RB. Maybe Gore is just a longevity guy. But he was productive and relevant for a long time and for a lot of teams.

 

[TREFF]

But the NFL can chew average players up and spit them out from year to year - especially RB. Maybe Gore is just a longevity guy. But he was productive and relevant for a long time and for a lot of teams.

Make no mistake, I would never refer to Gore as average

 

[Clayton]

There was one year where Frank Gore did look like a HOFer slam dunk one of the best in the league. Him and Steven Jackson back in 06. I suspect Gore will get in because I think people see the direction RBs are going and over time his longevity will continue to look more and more impressive. I don't think Gore should get in right away, though.

I know the positions are different but Andre Reed WR from the Bills has the same career AV if you think much of that stat. I think it took him 8 years to get into the HoF but eventually he did. Gore doesnt have that 'famous team' factor, though, but him being an RB probably weighs in his favor

 

[Bandit]

On that chart I referenced, he was considered the "starting" running back for his team in 14 seasons. Now of course that definition has changed some over the years, but the only other running back in NFL history that matched that was Emmitt Smith. It definitely doesn't help that he didn't win a championship either. Not his fault entirely, but that never helps from a perspective standpoint, I certainly don't think he should be a 1st ballot HOFer though, he certainly doesn't deserve those "no brainer" kind of accolades.

 

[femurov]

On that chart I referenced, he was considered the "starting" running back for his team in 14 seasons. Now of course that definition has changed some over the years, but the only other running back in NFL history that matched that was Emmitt Smith. It definitely doesn't help that he didn't win a championship either. Not his fault entirely, but that never helps from a perspective standpoint, I certainly don't think he should be a 1st ballot HOFer though, he certainly doesn't deserve those "no brainer" kind of accolades.

I saw a headline on ESPN that read something like, "Is Gore a first ballot HOFer?"

I thought it was funny since the real discussion is more like, "Is he even a HOFer?"

 

[Bandit]

I saw a headline on ESPN that read something like, "Is Gore a first ballot HOFer?"

I thought it was funny since the real discussion is more like, "Is he even a HOFer?"

I think they realize that the 3rd leading all-time rusher in NFL history isn't going to be kept out no matter what. The top 16 all time are either in already or will be in (Gore and Peterson are 3rd and 5th respectively). The first guy out is Fred Taylor who is 17th and I certainly would have lost if that was a trivia question. LOL.

 

[TREFF]

I think they realize that the 3rd leading all-time rusher in NFL history isn't going to be kept out no matter what. The top 16 all time are either in already or will be in (Gore and Peterson are 3rd and 5th respectively). The first guy out is Fred Taylor who is 17th and I certainly would have lost if that was a trivia question. LOL.

Can you believe that? Fragile Fred ended up 17th all time in rushing yards? Crazy!

Gawd what an absolute stud he wouldve been if he could've just stayed healthy. 2 seasons out of 13 where he played all 16 games. And in those two seasons, basically 2900 yards and 14 scores, plus another 800 receiving. 107.6 yards rushing PER GAME in 2000...Man, what could've been

 

[Chef99]

If all this is true, Deshaun has some serious issues. I wonder if he hangs out with Antonio?

24th lawsuit filed against Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson alleges graphic encounter

We also may be getting a look at how Tony Buzbee, the lawyer for all 24 accusers, plans to try the cases against Watson.

www.yahoo.com

 

[Shanemansj13]

If all this is true, Deshaun has some serious issues. I wonder if he hangs out with Antonio?

24th lawsuit filed against Browns quarterback Deshaun Watson alleges graphic encounter

We also may be getting a look at how Tony Buzbee, the lawyer for all 24 accusers, plans to try the cases against Watson.

www.yahoo.com

He definitely has some issues but that story is strange. So you stop massaging him once he got excited but you stayed and watched while he jacked off? The tipping point is when he came on your face, did she lay down for him or is he in the 99 percentile for trajectory game? Sick stuff and not saying I want more details but most of these women stayed while he was doing all this, at least from sources who really knows the full story. Intimidation can only go so far imo

 

[SmokingMonkey]

He definitely has some issues but that story is strange. So you stop massaging him once he got excited but you stayed and watched while he jacked off? The tipping point is when he came on your face, did she lay down for him or is he in the 99 percentile for trajectory game? Sick stuff and not saying I want more details but most of these women stayed while he was doing all this, at least from sources who really knows the full story. Intimidation can only go so far imo

bro, you can't shoot one off a few feet if you're backed up? Not trying to brag or anything, but I'd wager my best shot was at least a 5 footer

 

[TREFF]

bro, you can't shoot one off a few feet if you're backed up? Not trying to brag or anything, but I'd wager my best shot was at least a 5 footer

But..5' AND on target??