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BREAKING NEWS - Hold on to your hats and adjust your rankings accordingly.

9 News Denver's Mike Klis called 2016 a "make-or-break season" for RB Kapri Bibbs.

Capri Bibs? Is that a new dining trend I'm not aware of?
 

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Yeah, a lot of money. Still got to love those undrafted players that make good, don't you?
 

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Thankfully Hurns n eifert I targeted in most leagues last year, later in drafts
 

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got to love those undrafted players that make good, don't you?

Yeah. And at 5 mil a year in an up and coming offense for the next four years? Kinda makes sense. I'd imagine the incentives, if made, would really make sense.
 

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I think it works out to 8.1 per year depending on the incentives but it's 20 mill guaranteed.
 

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That's what I'm saying, those must be pretty big incentives...but who knows? Maybe they see something big coming at least in the short term, which they think will make it worthwhile.
 

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I was just talking about a lot of the RBs have become a blur and after the 1st 3 they all start blending together

Looking at their graph shows the later you pick a RB the less they score.
 

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I was just talking about a lot of the RBs have become a blur and after the 1st 3 they all start blending together
Here's a snapshot from the article:

wKOhZTZ.jpg

Personally, I think there are several factors that contribute to this seeming decline.
  1. The article pointed to games missed by guys like Charles and Foster who are getting older and less durable. Even youngling LeVeon Bell missed significant time. Having a stud is one thing. Having him stay healthy is another.
  2. Plus stud RB are on the decline. The days of having a tough choice between AP, LT, Steven Jackson, Ray Rice, MJD, Ricky Williams, CJ?K, Frank Gore, Charles, and Mendenhall are long gone. (Hard to believe all of these guys were playing well - or well enough - at the same time in 2009.) Now we are down to just a handful of bellcows, literally.
  3. Perhaps one reason for the decline in "bellcow" backs is because none of these backs coming out of college are good enough to be. Gurley and Elliott may be exceptions. But let's not crown them into the HOF just yet.
  4. Some RB that have stepped up are not consistent. A good season, or even a great half of a season, does not always translate well the following year. Inconsistency creates a lack of confidence in fantasy, which lowers a player's value.
 

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I was just talking about a lot of the RBs have become a blur and after the 1st 3 they all start blending together
Here's a snapshot from the article:

wKOhZTZ.jpg

Personally, I think there are several factors that contribute to this seeming decline.
  1. The article pointed to games missed by guys like Charles and Foster who are getting older and less durable. Even youngling LeVeon Bell missed significant time. Having a stud is one thing. Having him stay healthy is another.
  2. Plus stud RB are on the decline. The days of having a tough choice between AP, LT, Steven Jackson, Ray Rice, MJD, Ricky Williams, CJ?K, Frank Gore, Charles, and Mendenhall are long gone. (Hard to believe all of these guys were playing well - or well enough - at the same time in 2009.) Now we are down to just a handful of bellcows, literally.
  3. Perhaps one reason for the decline in "bellcow" backs is because none of these backs coming out of college are good enough to be. Gurley and Elliott may be exceptions. But let's not crown them into the HOF just yet.
  4. Some RB that have stepped up are not consistent. A good season, or even a great half of a season, does not always translate well the following year. Inconsistency creates a lack of confidence in fantasy, which lowers a player's value.
 

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Yes.. haven't there been more "bust picks" for the top 24 WR than RB the last five years or something?

I have a feeling the consensus went way over the line taking these receivers at such a high rate.
 

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Yes.. haven't there been more "bust picks" for the top 24 WR than RB the last five years or something?

I have a feeling the consensus went way over the line taking these receivers at such a high rate.
That's the other thing about the chart, which is misleading...
For example, while it lists the scoring production of the top 12 RB, I know for a certainty that those 12 backs were not the first 12 backs drafted.
Freeman and Dougernaut in particular were on no one's radar last August.

Same can be said for the other two groupings.
The RB position is in flux. And with other positions like the WR position, being somewhat more reliable and consistent, this is pushing the RB confidence factor down a peg or two.
 

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That's the other thing about the chart, which is misleading...
For example, while it lists the scoring production of the top 12 RB, I know for a certainty that those 12 backs were not the first 12 backs drafted.
Freeman and Dougernaut in particular were on no one's radar last August.

Same can be said for the other two groupings.
The RB position is in flux. And with other positions like the WR position, being somewhat more reliable and consistent, this is pushing the RB confidence factor down a peg or two.

Yeah, if you take the chart literally, you'd think there hasn't been any significant change since 2010 - and we all know that is not the case. .....
 

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Looking at their graph shows the later you pick a RB the less they score.

I guess what I'm suggesting is... if you're drafting in a wrap around position (i.e. 1-3, 8-10 in a 10 man league) and there's 2 or 3 RBs on the board that are all kinda similar and a good WR that I'm going to take the stud WR first and I'll catch whichever of those RBs last the 2 more picks the other guy doesn't take cause it's really hard to separate those guys in the 2 and 2b group. None of the guys who were "top" RBs last year (i.e. Rawls, Freeman, Martin) are proven at all. So it's really hard to say "Freeman is gonna be better than Rawls, I need Freeman." Screw that, I'll take AJ Green and whichever one is still there on the wrap around. Of course drafting in the middle of the round is different
 

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Here's a snapshot from the article:

wKOhZTZ.jpg

Personally, I think there are several factors that contribute to this seeming decline.
  1. The article pointed to games missed by guys like Charles and Foster who are getting older and less durable. Even youngling LeVeon Bell missed significant time. Having a stud is one thing. Having him stay healthy is another.
  2. Plus stud RB are on the decline. The days of having a tough choice between AP, LT, Steven Jackson, Ray Rice, MJD, Ricky Williams, CJ?K, Frank Gore, Charles, and Mendenhall are long gone. (Hard to believe all of these guys were playing well - or well enough - at the same time in 2009.) Now we are down to just a handful of bellcows, literally.
  3. Perhaps one reason for the decline in "bellcow" backs is because none of these backs coming out of college are good enough to be. Gurley and Elliott may be exceptions. But let's not crown them into the HOF just yet.
  4. Some RB that have stepped up are not consistent. A good season, or even a great half of a season, does not always translate well the following year. Inconsistency creates a lack of confidence in fantasy, which lowers a player's value.

I also think one of the reasons there is "decline in bellcows" is because the best players have stopped being RBs. WRs get hit less, they are now considered dynamic play makers who regularly get drafted in the first, get big contracts, and get to score! RBs had to learn how to catch to stay competitive, there is more incentive for these big guys to just receivers and be really good at it. Think about how some of these elite WRs look with the ball in their hand. They're bringing a RB mentality to the WR position. The top WRs aren't "soft" anymore. no one would say that about Odell and Cooper. The best players use to want to run the ball, but the way high school and college offensives are played you can get the ball in your hands as a WR. Tavon Austin is an amazing example of this! If he was a few years earlier, he'd be a running back, he doesn't catch the ball very well, but when it's in his hands, anything can happen! I always say he's not a good WR, he's a great playmaker though and that's why they hand him the ball a lot
 
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