expectations for the season

[chillerdab]

You may be right about this defense if you see them as being comparable to the 2000, 2012 Ravens or the '85 Bears. I just don't see those comps. The game has changed and you're going to need some sort of offense to win against this very tough schedule. To illustrate what I'm referring to I've made this graph based on 2020 results.

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Now to be fair, Washington did have the 4th rated defense against scoring, allowing only 329 points ( 20.5 per game average) and I believe that is your point. I simply don't trust this defense to hold any of these teams to less than their per game scoring levels AND/OR outscoring them offensively. To me that's asking too much of the defense while expecting so little of this offense. To be clear, I DO NOT believe that Washington has a QB, especially a starting level one. Spot duty, Fitz is great, but a 17 game starter, hell no!! They need a QB, why not a top 5 one who would make them instant favorites against almost every team that they face this year?

So ypu’re assuming that none of the teams the WFT are playing this year will have their offensive production decrease this year, while also assuming that the wft’s offensive production wont increase this year despite the obvious emphasis to the contrary?

New qb with two working legs, new #2 wr, #3 wr, new #4 wr, multiple additions to the oline, etc…

 

[Stymietee]

So ypu’re assuming that none of the teams the WFT are playing this year will have their offensive production decrease this year, while also assuming that the wft’s offensive production wont increase this year despite the obvious emphasis to the contrary?

New qb with two working legs, new #2 wr, #3 wr, new #4 wr, multiple additions to the oline, etc…

The NFL sells offense, rule changes confirm that as well as the fact that there are far fewer 3-0, 7-6, 10-3 type games. So no their offensive production won't go down to levels Washington needs to beat them. In fact they will either stay about the same or get better, not appreciably worse. Btw: the two teams that fared worse (Giants and Eagles) will be offensively better.

No, you're assuming that Washington, a team without a QB, will be better than they were last year. So far your best argument is that the "new QB" has two working legs. BTW; WR's are only as good as the guy throwing the ball to them. Washington doesn't have a QB that's worth a damn so what's your point in saying that there's a new #2 and 4? ( I'll start a new poll on this)

OL has a long way to go to prove that they're an upgrade.

"obvious emphasis to the contrary?" anecdotally speaking, a person leaves his/her home and made it obvious to everyone that his/her sole emphasis was to bring home new shoes. Tired and not finding what he/she wanted as the day began to close, the shorter route home was decided upon by cutting through the alleyways. While passing a dumpster, he/she spotted an well worn tattered, virtually unwearable pair of shoes. Thinking to him/herself the thought of taking them home occurred. After arriving home, this person announced excitedly..."I've done it, here are the new shoes that I promised!!"

Question...Weren't the shoes new to him/her?

 

[chillerdab]

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Alwx Smith threw for 16 tds and 13 ints over the last two years he played, had QBR ratings that were a little more than half of Fitzpatrick ‘s (in the 40’s and 30’s), and had essentially the same completion percentages.

With Smith you get a non-mobile, check down specialist who never throws it long, thus eliminating big plays, td’s and int’s.

Fitzpatrick aired it out, on worse teams, to better stats, and the same completion percentage.

You dont know what you are talking about.

 

[skinsdad62]

We know what Fitz is . We will need a long term QB . To me Fitz is billy Kilmer , hot and cold

 

[Stymietee]

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Ryan Fitzpatrick hasnt had a rating under 85 in four years, a completion percentage under 62% in three years, has thrown 50tds to 33 ints over the last three years, and has had his career best stretch of QBR these last three years.

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Alwx Smith threw for 16 tds and 13 ints over the last two years he played, had QBR ratings that were a little more than half of Fitzpatrick ‘s (in the 40’s and 30’s), and had essentially the same completion percentages.

With Smith you get a non-mobile, check down specialist who never throws it long, thus eliminating big plays, td’s and int’s.

Fitzpatrick aired it out, on worse teams, to better stats, and the same completion percentage.

You dont know what you are talking about.

How many times has he done any of that as the clear starter. Clearly it is you who don't know what you're talking about when making such comparisons and drawing crazy conclusions.
I stated, and made a point to emphasize Fritz as a very good fill-in. You're hoping that he's going to be something that he hasn't been in since he came into the league. . Get back to me when you can find stats that support your wild assertion about him as the full time starter. In the meantime here's the Fitzpatrick timeline that you supplied... (Take note of his continual failure as a full time starter, cherry picking to suit your hopes won't work)

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[chillerdab]

Why do you think that “full time starter” means something different for stat purposes?

Being the coach proclaimed “full time starter” or not being the full time starter didnt get wrs mire open, nor dis it have anything to do with Fitzmagic’s rising QBR over the past 3 years.

Your semantics dont hold water.

That dog wont hunt.

 

[Stymietee]

Here's the most pertinent stats when evaluating QB's. The highest QBR that a QB can get is 158.3. Fitzpatrick has NEVER been above 100. In the current field of starting QB's he ranks 23rd. His W/L record 59 -86 -1 would have anyone else without his likeability, out of the league. In fact the closest player listed in the Football Data Base* is Jim Plunket who finished with a 72 -72 W/L record. His TD to INT count is 223/ 169 or a .757% chance that every time he slings one it will get picked off.

I get it HOPE springs eternal every year at this time, unfortunately, doesn't get you very far when it's time to perform. So, I'm going to post this once more for those who want to label me something that I'm not. This team is a 10 - 11- 12 win team with a decent to great QB. Washington does not have a starting caliber QB.

 

[Stymietee]

Why do you think that “full time starter” means something different for stat purposes?

Being the coach proclaimed “full time starter” or not being the full time starter didnt get wrs mire open, nor dis it have anything to do with Fitzmagic’s rising QBR over the past 3 years.

Your semantics dont hold water.

That dog wont hunt.

1. Because "full time starter" is what he's going to be here. His record as "The Man" as he's referred to himself is abysmal.

2. The highest QBR that a QB can get is 158.3. Fitzpatrick has NEVER been above 100 and he got the 99.7 in a game in which he didn't attempt a pass. It was basic clean up duty. (hand-offs). Rising QBR??? LOL c'mon man 76.9, really??? Getting WR'ers wide open only means that your QB has to get the ball to them and not the other guys.

3. Nonsense

4. I agree, Fitzmagic or Fitztragic "that dog won't hunt."

 

[Skin'EmAll]

You may be right about this defense if you see them as being comparable to the 2000, 2012 Ravens or the '85 Bears. I just don't see those comps. The game has changed and you're going to need some sort of offense to win against this very tough schedule. To illustrate what I'm referring to I've made this graph based on 2020 results.

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Now to be fair, Washington did have the 4th rated defense against scoring, allowing only 329 points ( 20.5 per game average) and I believe that is your point. I simply don't trust this defense to hold any of these teams to less than their per game scoring levels AND/OR outscoring them offensively. To me that's asking too much of the defense while expecting so little of this offense. To be clear, I DO NOT believe that Washington has a QB, especially a starting level one. Spot duty, Fitz is great, but a 17 game starter, hell no!! They need a QB, why not a top 5 one who would make them instant favorites against almost every team that they face this year?

wow, that's crazy...that was my point, i was too lazy to do the numbers.
i'm not sold on Fitz, but in comparison I do know Alex Smith looked like a totally different guy with Tyreek Hill.
You make compelling arguments, i just believe crimes(or even accusations) of a sexual nature must be handled correctly.

 

[Stymietee]

wow, that's crazy...that was my point, i was too lazy to do the numbers.
i'm not sold on Fitz, but in comparison I do know Alex Smith looked like a totally different guy with Tyreek Hill.
You make compelling arguments, i just believe crimes(or even accusations) of a sexual nature must be handled correctly.

While the numbers have made me a genuine skeptic, I reserve the right to be totally wrong about Fitz. He could ball out and make this team the contender that it wants to be. I've been here long enough to have witnessed the annual hopeful July thru the first of September ritual sweep through our board only to view game after game post expressing disappointment. This year, instead of hope, I decided to take a sober look at the raw numbers, that is the source of my "compelling arguments." Thanks!

I agree, crimes/accusations of a sexual nature must be handled correctly. Unfortunately, we live in an era in which a person can never be fully cleared of anything of that nature that's been sensationalized in the many forums that we currently have. There will always be a segment of the population willing and ready to see the worse, then convict in the court of public opinion. [SIGH]

 

[skinsdad62]

He deserves due process . But you can’t give up assets for a guy who might be in jail a yr from now or on the commissioners list . You have to let this play out first

 

[Sportster 72]

He deserves due process . But you can’t give up assets for a guy who might be in jail a yr from now or on the commissioners list . You have to let this play out first

Not to mention rumors say 3 or 4 high picks and a player or two. r*pe the team to get a QB about the same ability as the one we had here a few years ago.

Just my opinion but if Fritz plays decent this year I keep him for another year, groom Allen (after he heals) and look for a mid round pick in the draft. Maybe a 2nd rounder ... up through a 4th.

 

[gkekoa]

How do you know this? Pure speculation? How do you know with any degree of certainty that any of it is true?

Of course it is speculation, just like you would speculate he is innocent or doesn’t have an addiction issue.

He's a 25 year old superstar athlete accused, let me express that again, ACCUSED of improper personal conduct not r*pe or using force or threat without consent... Improper personal conduct!!

Accused 20+ times

So, without those other accusations, let me ask, man to man, if someone has your member in their hand or mouth and didn't want it in either place...who's really in control and where's the residual evidence of an injury or bite?

Of course it would no longer be attached…but that is me.

 

[gkekoa]

Here's the most pertinent stats when evaluating QB's. The highest QBR that a QB can get is 158.3. Fitzpatrick has NEVER been above 100. In the current field of starting QB's he ranks 23rd. His W/L record 59 -86 -1 would have anyone else without his likeability, out of the league. In fact the closest player listed in the Football Data Base* is Jim Plunket who finished with a 72 -72 W/L record. His TD to INT count is 223/ 169 or a .757% chance that every time he slings one it will get picked off.

I get it HOPE springs eternal every year at this time, unfortunately, doesn't get you very far when it's time to perform. So, I'm going to post this once more for those who want to label me something that I'm not. This team is a 10 - 11- 12 win team with a decent to great QB. Washington does not have a starting caliber QB.


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Only ten guys last season had a rating over 100…we know how much you love Ryan Tannehill, Derek Carr, and of course Kirk Cousins.

The possibly better metric is QBR which goes up to 100. Fitz was ranked 5…ahead of Watson at 12. Miami was better with Fitz but they invested in Tua.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

We have no ammo to get Watson but if we did washington would be a play off team every year .. best optition find a qb on a rookie contract and save money to resign Chase Young .. Sytmie its going take Chase Young plus draft picks for watson

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

The Debate should be Last years Draft we Drafted Young when we had Sweat the great washington debate should be Qb Herbert vs Chase Young at 2

 

[skinsdad62]

This is getting ugly and becoming long term

 

[chillerdab]

1. Because "full time starter" is what he's going to be here. His record as "The Man" as he's referred to himself is abysmal.

2. The highest QBR that a QB can get is 158.3. Fitzpatrick has NEVER been above 100 and he got the 99.7 in a game in which he didn't attempt a pass. It was basic clean up duty. (hand-offs). Rising QBR??? LOL c'mon man 76.9, really??? Getting WR'ers wide open only means that your QB has to get the ball to them and not the other guys.

3. Nonsense

4. I agree, Fitzmagic or Fitztragic "that dog won't hunt."

Stymie, you’re rationale is ridiculous, plain and simple.

It’s simply ridiculous.

Like Dennis Green said, “we are who we think we are.” His stats are his stats. They are what they are.
The facts remain: his completion percentage has gone up each of the last three years, and his QBR over the last two years that he has played are almost double the qbr of any WFT qb that played.

You’re basing your argument on something akin to The Madden Curse. It’s silly.

Anyway, I think I’ve said all I have to say about this subject.

 

[Stymietee]

Of course it is speculation, just like you would speculate he is innocent or doesn’t have an addiction issue.

Accused 20+ times

Of course it would no longer be attached…but that is me.

I don't speculate either way. The man is owed that much until there's evidence that proves or disproves his legal status. I presume innocence as we all should. Any potential jury pool comes from the general public. BTW: I literally hate most social media platforms and don't have accounts on any of them except 'SportsHoopla and Facebook. I rarely, if ever use the latter.

"Accused 20+ times" So what? At this point it's just sensationalized chatter. Let's allow the legal authorities to do their thing before making judgements.

Perhaps there are women who would do what's asked of them, but that goes to consent. I don't personally know any women who would comply because of a employment threat, most would laugh at the suggestion, while others would literally make the guy physically pay for his actions. You would have to go a very long way to find females in which neither of these scenarios apply.

 

[gkekoa]

I don't speculate either way. The man is owed that much until there's evidence that proves or disproves his legal status. I presume innocence as we all should. Any potential jury pool comes from the general public. BTW: I literally hate most social media platforms and don't have accounts on any of them except 'SportsHoopla and Facebook. I rarely, if ever use the latter.

Owed by whom? I owe him nothing. The league owes him nothing…if they can essentially run people out of the league for not taking a vaccine…they can easily run an accused sexual violator out of the league.

I expect there is some truth to the allegations…not all of this will be true. I tend to not believe women when they start adding on and adding on when years have passed.

"Accused 20+ times" So what? At this point it's just sensationalized chatter. Let's allow the legal authorities to do their thing before making judgements.

I haven’t made a judgement. I do not know all the facts. I do know odds. Like I said, I expect there is some truth in some of the allegations.

Perhaps there are women who would do what's asked of them, but that goes to consent. I don't personally know any women who would comply because of a employment threat, most would laugh at the suggestion, while others would literally make the guy physically pay for his actions. You would have to go a very long way to find females in which neither of these scenarios apply.

I tend to agree with you. I don’t know if all the women were worried about employment and some would not physically and permanently destroy or kill a man the way I would if this were done to me.