expectations for the season

[skinsdad62]

Not even close to a Watson situation

i agree not even close

 

[Stymietee]

Not even close to a Watson situation

This is the type of response that is expected when someone wants to change the subject. Did you happen to note the Boldend "specifically" or what followed?
There was no comparisons of the two situations, the subject is PR, and culture change. C'mon man!!

 

[skinsdad62]

This is the type of response that is expected when someone wants to change the subject. Did you happen to note the Boldend "specifically" or what followed?
There was no comparisons of the two situations, the subject is PR, and culture change. C'mon man!!

insider trading is a dubious thing

 

[Stymietee]

insider trading is a dubious thing

It's completely illegal. The court didn't wag a finger at him and say "bad, bad, bad!" he got one day in jail and two years probation for felony investment fraud. That 1.2 million that he got for giving "ii" to investors isn't "dubious."

This is so far beyond the point though. The point is as it relates to PR and culture change.

 

[Skin'EmAll]

For those of you worried about trading for Mr. Watson specifically, with respect to bad PR, and the so-called (outward) "culture change." (bottom line is... if you can play and contribute, there's a place for you. Bad PR and/or envisioned culture changes be damned)



49ers sign Mychal Kendricks weeks after ex-Seahawks linebacker is sentenced for insider trading, per report
Three weeks after being sentenced to one day in jail and three years of probation for his 2018 guilty pl

You're absolutely right BUT this matter is still unresolved, and it would be as successful as reaching for Haskins.
Of course, IMO.
A year later, i would be open to Watson.
Although the NFL is bullet proof, its still a bad look for us

 

[skinsdad62]

It's completely illegal. The court didn't wag a finger at him and say "bad, bad, bad!" he got one day in jail and two years probation for felony investment fraud. That 1.2 million that he got for giving "ii" to investors isn't "dubious."

This is so far beyond the point though. The point is as it relates to PR and culture change.

Comparing r*pe to insider trading isn’t exactly a level comparison .

 

[Stymietee]

You're absolutely right BUT this matter is still unresolved, and it would be as successful as reaching for Haskins.
Of course, IMO.
A year later, i would be open to Watson.
Although the NFL is bullet proof, its still a bad look for us

At some point Mr. Watson's situation will be resolved and he'll return to play. My personal belief is that there's going to be a settlement reached almost immediately after he's traded. It's a version of the James Harden trade me effort with the details already worked out.

I get it, people want things to be worked out first.

I don't think that the NFL gives a flat damn about how things look. Let the tongues wag and opinions fly it's all in keeping the brand as one of the top sports topics in the offseason. They personalized Ray Rice, Brady and the Patriots, Michael Vick, and James "Jim" Irsay, taking zero PR hits to their respective teams or the league. Now if you look at Washington, almost all of the ire is aimed at Dan Snyder, support for the former name, albeit misguided, is still fairly strong.

 

[Stymietee]

Comparing r*pe to insider trading isn’t exactly a level comparison .

Nobody's doing that except you, and MWAB. So, beyond what I was obviously writing about, and in order to give you both some satisfaction, how about comparing a felony with a felony. Level enough?

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Nobody's doing that except you, and MWAB. So, beyond what I was obviously writing about, and in order to give you both some satisfaction, how about comparing a felony with a felony. Level enough?

Sty, I'm sure you know people were furious when we first brought in Adrian Peterson for his excessive discipline, why wouldn't Watson be multiplied to the 3rd power, and if he doesn't win the nfc championship first year with what we give up, our media friends are ready to destroy

 

[Stymietee]

Sty, I'm sure you know people were furious when we first brought in Adrian Peterson for his excessive discipline, why wouldn't Watson be multiplied to the 3rd power, and if he doesn't win the nfc championship first year with what we give up, our media friends are ready to destroy

I agree that some people were furious with the Peterson signing, few of them were within my circle but that's a topic for another time. My question is... who cares?

People are generally conditioned to move on to the next big story as they crop up and a Watson story no matter how big will also go away in the same manner that the Peterson story did. Peterson produced, and ultimately that is what people who followed the game cared about. Watson will produce, I don't think that anyone doubts that, and time will take care of the rest. Whether the team wins the NFC title or not is solely dependent upon Ron Rivera and his coaching staff putting this team in the best position to win enough games with him to do so.

The media is the media, they live by the trope..."If it bleeds, it leads," and as such renders a story like this secondary to anything that they can sensationalize better. An NFL team cannot be destroyed by such a story. ( Houston is still a viable NFL team correct?) Just remember this aphorism my friend...["That which does not destroy] you, makes you stronger."__ Friedrich Nietzsche

 

[gkekoa]

I agree that some people were furious with the Peterson signing, few of them were within my circle but that's a topic for another time. My question is... who cares?

People are generally conditioned to move on to the next big story as they crop up and a Watson story no matter how big will also go away in the same manner that the Peterson story did. Peterson produced, and ultimately that is what people who followed the game cared about. Watson will produce, I don't think that anyone doubts that, and time will take care of the rest. Whether the team wins the NFC title or not is solely dependent upon Ron Rivera and his coaching staff putting this team in the best position to win enough games with him to do so.

The media is the media, they live by the trope..."If it bleeds, it leads," and as such renders a story like this secondary to anything that they can sensationalize better. An NFL team cannot be destroyed by such a story. ( Houston is still a viable NFL team correct?) Just remember this aphorism my friend...["That which does not destroy] you, makes you stronger."__ Friedrich Nietzsche

Watson has an addiction issue. It is something to worry about. These things won’t just go away.

 

[Stymietee]

Watson has an addiction issue. It is something to worry about. These things won’t just go away.

How do you know this? Pure speculation? How do you know with any degree of certainty that any of it is true?

He's a 25 year old superstar athlete accused, let me express that again, ACCUSED of improper personal conduct not r*pe or using force or threat without consent... Improper personal conduct!!

So, without those other accusations, let me ask, man to man, if someone has your member in their hand or mouth and didn't want it in either place...who's really in control and where's the residual evidence of an injury or bite?

 

[Rowdy]

There is a grand jury investigating him for a criminal prosecution

 

[Stymietee]

There is a grand jury investigating him for a criminal prosecution

Then let it play out without jumping to conclusions.

 

[skinsdad62]

One is about money one is a possible sex crime , they don’t equate and hence it’s apples to oranges

 

[Skin'EmAll]

Then let it play out without jumping to conclusions.

Sty, I believe we may not need Watson, not because he isn't elite -- but because our defense should be able to carry us this year and beyond.
I know that's speculation BUT so is thinking Watson is the missing piece to a 4th championship.
you're absolutely right about the NFL living the worry free life for its employees that may be or are found guilty of crimes

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

We have nothing to trade watson for this is getting old

 

[Stymietee]

Sty, I believe we may not need Watson, not because he isn't elite -- but because our defense should be able to carry us this year and beyond.
I know that's speculation BUT so is thinking Watson is the missing piece to a 4th championship.
you're absolutely right about the NFL living the worry free life for its employees that may be or are found guilty of crimes

You may be right about this defense if you see them as being comparable to the 2000, 2012 Ravens or the '85 Bears. I just don't see those comps. The game has changed and you're going to need some sort of offense to win against this very tough schedule. To illustrate what I'm referring to I've made this graph based on 2020 results.





Now to be fair, Washington did have the 4th rated defense against scoring, allowing only 329 points ( 20.5 per game average) and I believe that is your point. I simply don't trust this defense to hold any of these teams to less than their per game scoring levels AND/OR outscoring them offensively. To me that's asking too much of the defense while expecting so little of this offense. To be clear, I DO NOT believe that Washington has a QB, especially a starting level one. Spot duty, Fitz is great, but a 17 game starter, hell no!! They need a QB, why not a top 5 one who would make them instant favorites against almost every team that they face this year?

 

[Stymietee]

We have nothing to trade watson for this is getting old

Nonsense!

 

[Stymietee]

you're absolutely right about the NFL living the worry free life for its employees that may be or are found guilty of crimes

BTW: while preparing my response I was reminded of Ray Lewis, who pleaded guilty of obstruction of justice in a case, in which he was originally ACCUSED, of being involved in taking 2 lives. (What followed was the NFL's defensive MVP and a SB win. Just sayin')