Draft Night Thread

[msgkings322]

I may be a concern troll, but I am not blind. Crawford may well be a defensive whiz, but his bat is nowhere near acceptable. Guy is hitting .224 right now and at no point has he had a stretch that I would consider passable, let alone good. He's a career .213 hitter with a Feliz-esque .285 OBP. If anyone expects that to suddenly jump to .250/.340, please step forward and justify your blind optimism.

I don't expect it to 'suddenly jump' there but he could get to .240/.330 and with his glove he's fine batting 8th. We could go all day with this, clearly you expect allstar bats at every position.

Unless you are spending like the Yankees that can't happen. Or if you get close like the Rangers, your pitching suffers. We focus on pitching and D here, because of our park. It works just as well as any other way of running a team.

 

[Heathbar012]

AB: NONE OF YOU FUCKS WOULD KNOW A LEGIT PROSPECT FROM A PILE OF CRAP. IN FACT, READING THIS MAKES ME WANT TO TAKE ONE.

What about that one reliever prospect, Brett Bochy?

 

[tzill]

I was excluding cant-miss bats. Clark and Williams would not have worked either.

Panda and C3PO are both guys who were projects. Panda HAS paid off, C3PO looks promising...

Like Susac, gotcha.

 

[tzill]

What about that one reliever prospect, Brett Bochy?

AB: THE BOY GREW UP RIGHT. REGULAR ASS KICKINGS AND YOU SEE THE RESULTS. FUCK OFF.

 

[gp956]

Here's my post:

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This, from Perfect Game, on Agosta:

The biggest change in Agosta’s development this spring into one of the nation’s premier college pitching prospects, though, has been in the improvement in his changeup. With his increase in fastball velocity, he has only added to the differential on his change, while maintaining the same arm speed on both pitches. He has not been afraid to throw his change in any count, and it has been extremely effective against both lefthanded and righthanded hitters. With the general improvement he has shown with his raw stuff, Agosta’s evolution into a top prospect has become somewhat complete as he has always been considered an excellent athlete (he is a scratch golfer), has a quick, loose arm and an extremely-competitive approach.

Freak lite?
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How could I have made it clearer?

By putting it in it's own sub-thread. Dude I had just posted about Johnson's mechanical flaws, he had just been picked, you had responded with a perfectly appropriate "Tidrow on line 1," and that is where you choose to go back 5 rounds? You owe your audience a heads up when you are changing the subject. It's not like i'm reading any more than every tenth word in your posts.

 

[tzill]

By putting it in it's own sub-thread. Dude I had just posted about Johnson's mechanical flaws, he had just been picked, you had responded with a perfectly appropriate "Tidrow on line 1," and that is where you choose to go back 5 rounds? You owe your audience a heads up when you are changing the subject.

I thought I DID, yo? By specifically mentioning Agosta's name three times...cmon man, admit you overlooked it and let's move on. I'll admit it was something of a non-sequitor.

 

[Heathbar012]

AB: THE BOY GREW UP RIGHT. REGULAR ASS KICKINGS AND YOU SEE THE RESULTS. FUCK OFF.

New favorite.

 

[CameronFrye]

I don't expect it to 'suddenly jump' there but he could get to .240/.330 and with his glove he's fine batting 8th. We could go all day with this, clearly you expect allstar bats at every position.

Unless you are spending like the Yankees that can't happen. Or if you get close like the Rangers, your pitching suffers. We focus on pitching and D here, because of our park. It works just as well as any other way of running a team.

No. I don't expect an all-star at every position. But I do expect competence. Crawford is not competent.

My involvement in this whole line of discussion (this thread and the Soler thread) revolves around the fact that I believe the Giants need at least one bat that has 30 HR power. Sabean seems incapable of acquiring that bat and that is what frustrates me. Just give me one guy who legitimately belongs in the 4 hole. Surround him with Posey, Panda and Melky and I will be happy. But I doubt that bat will surface for a long time.

 

[gp956]

I thought I DID, yo? By specifically mentioning Agosta's name three times...cmon man, admit you overlooked it and let's move on. I'll admit it was something of a non-sequitor.

You expect me to actually read your posts? That's a bit presumptuous.

 

[tzill]

You expect me to actually read your posts? That's a bit presumptuous.

Well played. Well played.

 

[filosofy29]

By putting it in it's own sub-thread. Dude I had just posted about Johnson's mechanical flaws, he had just been picked, you had responded with a perfectly appropriate "Tidrow on line 1," and that is where you choose to go back 5 rounds? You owe your audience a heads up when you are changing the subject. It's not like i'm reading any more than every tenth word in your posts.

I thought I DID, yo? By specifically mentioning Agosta's name three times...cmon man, admit you overlooked it and let's move on. I'll admit it was something of a non-sequitor.

 

[gp956]

No. I don't expect an all-star at every position. But I do expect competence. Crawford is not competent.

My involvement in this whole line of discussion (this thread and the Soler thread) revolves around the fact that I believe the Giants need at least one bat that has 30 HR power. Sabean seems incapable of acquiring that bat and that is what frustrates me. Just give me one guy who legitimately belongs in the 4 hole. Surround him with Posey, Panda and Melky and I will be happy. But I doubt that bat will surface for a long time.

Panda. 33 HR per year average, if you project out from last year and into this year. You asked for one.

 

[msgkings322]

No. I don't expect an all-star at every position. But I do expect competence. Crawford is not competent.

My involvement in this whole line of discussion (this thread and the Soler thread) revolves around the fact that I believe the Giants need at least one bat that has 30 HR power. Sabean seems incapable of acquiring that bat and that is what frustrates me. Just give me one guy who legitimately belongs in the 4 hole. Surround him with Posey, Panda and Melky and I will be happy. But I doubt that bat will surface for a long time.

Fair enough. I too want that bat but everything affects everything else. The $ it would take to get that bat immediately would mean losing a pitcher or three. This is the curse of rooting for a team with some kind of budget constraint. Also the curse of once having Teh Bonds on your side.

Also, if we DID get that bat and surround him with Panda, Posey, and Melky, you'd have Crawford level hitting everywhere else in the order.

That's the only way we get that bat, draft one and hope he's ready in 3 years, or pay way too much for one and lose Timmy and a few pen guys.

I'm glad we're at least upper third in payroll and not the As or Pirates. I'm also glad that whatever it is Sabean is doing, he wins a lot of years and has won a ring and almost won two, more than many team's fans can say.

 

[gp956]

:charlie:

 

[calsnowskier]

Looks like the Giants have found Susac's replacement. Drafted a C in rd 10.

About time. That Susac dude was a complete embarrassment to the org.

 

[tzill]

Looks like the Giants have found Susac's replacement. Drafted a C in rd 10.

About time. That Susac dude was a complete embarrassment to the org.

AB: I'M GONNA KICK YOU RIGHT IN THE COOCH AFTER I MANAGE THE SHIT OUT OF TONIGHT'S GAME.

 

[gp956]

Interesting scenario regarding the Pirates choice of Appel brought up by Dave Cameron.

By taking the best player on the board with the eighth pick, the Pirates have put themselves in a bit of a pickle. That’s probably not the scenario MLB was hoping for when they came up with these new rules, as it puts the team in a position of having to choose self-harm in order to hold the line on budgets for the league. Under the old system, the Pirates could be rewarded for taking the best player on the board, and could simply invest more in their future product to help their team build a winner. Under this system, though, the Pirates are probably either going to lose their first round pick or take some serious reaches in later rounds.

I'm surprised Appel did not drop further. Clearly MLB is trying to break the agents leverage in the draft.

 

[gp956]

Interesting scenario regarding the Pirates choice of Appel brought up by Dave Cameron.



I'm surprised Appel did not drop further. Clearly MLB is trying to break the agents leverage in the draft.

Given the above, did the Giants draft older players for signability?

 

[gp956]

From the comments section of Dave's article:

If you want to see game theory in action, take a look at round 10, the final round where teams can “save” money by drafting a total schmoe or someone with no leverage and signing him for less than slot…

21 of the 30 picks in round 10 were college seniors, including two guys from military academies. The Dodgers were the most obvious about it, selecting Zach Babitt.

Babitt is 5’7″, 160 pounds, turns 23 years old this summer, and was a redshirt senior at … I swear I’m not making this up… “Academy of Art University,” which apparently is located in San Francisco and participates in D-II, where they went 6-44 this season. To Babitt’s credit, he did lead them in hitting at .313.

 

[dredinis21]

I really don't have a problem with the Giants selecting as many pitchers as they did because really, that is the only thing the Giants have shown a consistency in developing. Our current pitching staff (and guys like Durty) prove that point. If we have continued success in drafting and developing arms, we stand a chance to actually "successfully" pulling off a trade centered around pitching prospects to acquire a bat.