Done with KC

[SkinFaninATL]

I'm sorry, but this has to be said. RGIII haters may not like this, but I've had it with Kirk Cousins. Wasn't sold to begin with. Is it just me or is this guy a magnet for INTs? In all my years of watching the Redskins, I don't think I have ever seen a QB that is more prone to INTs than him. It is a shame. I remember his first action in 2012 against the Falcons, when RGIII had the concussion, it didn't take long for him to throw an INT. Then, he almost threw a few against the Browns. Of course, there was his audition for the last four games of last season. Each game, he threw an INT or two. Wasn't making clutch throws. This year, it is no better. The Giants game was a disgrace, but this past game was even worse. The last four drives of the game, he threw 3 INTs three of the four. They were not even close, just like the Giants game. I thought he was supposed to be able to read defenses?

The INTs are only part of his flaws. He hardly ever makes the throw. In other words, he does not consistently complete passes on 3rd downs. He's missing wide open WRs, but hits wide open defenders. Look at the Cardinals game and the Eagles game. He threw for 427 yards, but didn't make the clutch throws. Good grief! Some people believed he was a better QB than RGIII, but just needed a chance to prove it. Well, I don't see it. I don't expect to see it. RGIII was hurt and probably had no business playing, last year, but he still wasn't as reckless with the football as Cousins is. I've seen enough of him. He is what he is, which is a career backup QB. He is not a franchise QB. I believe many teams already knew this, which is why he slid in the draft and why many teams were not lining up to make a trade for him. It's gonna get worse, too because defenses are loading up to stop Morris, which dares Kirk Cousins to beat them. The result will equal more INTs.

 

[j_y19]

While I'm not as terminal about KC as you are, I'm pretty sure your sentiments are correct. He will most likely always be a backup. Although there have been some very good QBs that threw INTs like this early in their careers (Aikman and Bradshaw come to mind) and grew out of it, I don't see KC as cut from that same cloth. His INTs come when the only pressure he has is in his own mind. And the passes are no where close to any WR.

Can he change? Sure. Will he? Probably not. But I would take him all day long as a backup. I hope we can retain him in that role but someone will probably give him another shot as a starter.

 

[martinez]

not giving up on kirk yet, i think its unfair to that because its way too early. my biggest concern is his clutch gene. its like in the fourth quarter he craps his pants. im ok with forcing passes a little bit to try to win the game but some of his picks are BAD.

 

[skinsdad62]

way way too early to give up on Kc . by the same token its clear Rg3 has the better upside

 

[Sharkinva]

Nope... Kirk is a scrub. Throws too many picks and cant win us games. Time to put in McCoy

 

[Sleepy T]

Nope... Kirk is a scrub. Throws too many picks and cant win us games. Time to put in McCoy

Why not?? I wouldn't be opposed to this. I'm not sure he would be much better than Cousins in real game competition, but what the hell?

 

[Sharkinva]

Why not?? I wouldn't be opposed to this. I'm not sure he would be much better than Cousins in real game competition, but what the hell?

VT... my real hope is that after this week Bob is back on the field.

 

[Stymietee]

Why not?? I wouldn't be opposed to this. I'm not sure he would be much better than Cousins in real game competition, but what the hell?

I agree.....anyone but RGIII.....in fact I say DO NOT play him (RGIII) again until there are sufficient changes in personnel to protect him, coupled with a philosophical redesign of the offense that highlights his skillset. Changing RGIII to anything less than what he is and has been all of his career is to reduce him to.........well.........me!!! (current me...not youthful me)

 

[Sportster 72]

I agree.....anyone but RGIII.....in fact I say DO NOT play him (RGIII) again until there are sufficient changes in personnel to protect him, coupled with a philosophical redesign of the offense that highlights his skillset. Changing RGIII to anything less than what he is and has been all of his career is to reduce him to.........well.........me!!! (current me...not youthful me)

So when would that be, 2015 ... 2016? The only legitmate reason to hold him out is he is not fully healthy.

Here's a question for everyone. How many years are you considered a young QB. Griffin was largely ineffective last year due to injury. This year it looks like he will miss half a season. Both QBs will be heading into year 4 next year. If Griffin is healthy he should play, we need to take stock in this guy to see if he is what everyone hoped he would be.

We have a good idea who Kirk is, he can move the team and put points up but he also turns the ball over. He'll likely have a couple of more games to show what he can do then we need to get Robert out there. Cousins has only been sacked 6 times which is tied for 25th in the league. (24 teams have given up more sacks) Essentially Griffin is behind a creditible line. Now Griffin was sacked 4 times in a game and 1 drive. Does that mean he needs to be protected from himself?

 

[j_y19]

Robert needs to be back playing as soon as he is 100% and has had a couple of weeks of practice. We need to know if he is the guy. We can't keep sticking him on the shelf to protect him. If he can't protect himself, its all a moot point anyway.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Good God some of you guys overreact. Time to put in Colt? What possible solution would that provide? Colt is a failed starter, a 3rd stringer for a reason. The book has been written on Colt McCoy and he stinks. What possible reason is there for a team in a lost season to turn to a guy like that?

We play Kirk because he has been excellent at times and needs the experience. I actually expect him to play very well on Sunday. When Griff is healthy he returns as the starter because he has always been the better option. But to bail on Kirk and go with Colt? That is idiotic.

 

[Sleepy T]

Good God some of you guys overreact. Time to put in Colt? What possible solution would that provide? Colt is a failed starter, a 3rd stringer for a reason. The book has been written on Colt McCoy and he stinks. What possible reason is there for a team in a lost season to turn to a guy like that?

We play Kirk because he has been excellent at times and needs the experience. I actually expect him to play very well on Sunday. When Griff is healthy he returns as the starter because he has always been the better option. But to bail on Kirk and go with Colt? That is idiotic.

I agree, if Griff is healthy, he needs to be the guy. But this notion that Cousins is a long term starter in this league is starting to get to the point of ridiculousness. As someone else has said, he can't always make the reads (maybe fixable) and usually can't make the throws (fixable?? not so much). I mean putting McCoy in, I was somewhat kidding. But is Cousins really that better of an option than Colt?? Prolly not. When has he been so excellent?? In the preseason?? In a couple games where he played bottom shelf teams or came in the final minute and ran a QB draw for a touchdown. He has made some good plays.. But the bad ones have more than overshadowed those this season. He simply does make the players around him or this team as a whole any better.

The coaches won't put Colt in, they will give Cousins whatever games are left, and maybe they should :idk:
Unless Cousins shows that he can protect the ball a little better with what games he has left as starter, he will cement his status of a backup in this league. We will get little to nothing for him in trade value, and we may be moving onto another QB altogether in a couple more years.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Thank you for posting "a couple of more years". I'm still trying to figure out why so many think this QB thing needs to resolved today or even this year. Both are under contract for all of next season. Both have been great at times and both need to work on things. That's kind of how it goes for young QBs not named Luck. By playing them they will gain the experience that will help down the road while giving the team information for evaluation.

 

[sublime4eva]

I tried to be optimistic about Cousins but the dude is a scrub, either way I'm glad it's out in the open and hopefully we'll quit hearing these Cousins is better then Griffin jokes stop. I mean come what were some of you thinking? LOL

 

[Sharkinva]

So when would that be, 2015 ... 2016? The only legitmate reason to hold him out is he is not fully healthy.

Here's a question for everyone. How many years are you considered a young QB. Griffin was largely ineffective last year due to injury. This year it looks like he will miss half a season. Both QBs will be heading into year 4 next year. If Griffin is healthy he should play, we need to take stock in this guy to see if he is what everyone hoped he would be.

We have a good idea who Kirk is, he can move the team and put points up but he also turns the ball over. He'll likely have a couple of more games to show what he can do then we need to get Robert out there. Cousins has only been sacked 6 times which is tied for 25th in the league. (24 teams have given up more sacks) Essentially Griffin is behind a creditible line. Now Griffin was sacked 4 times in a game and 1 drive. Does that mean he needs to be protected from himself?

You do realize that there are a few well known QBs in the not too distant past that apparently had this exact issue. I wonder if two IM thinking of would have their gold jackets if their respective teams had said... well he puts up points but turns it over too often.

Im just saying you know.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

You do realize that there are a few well known QBs in the not too distant past that apparently had this exact issue. I wonder if two IM thinking of would have their gold jackets if their respective teams had said... well he puts up points but turns it over too often.

Im just saying you know.

Agreed. But just as we can't write the final chapter on Cousins right now it's equally stupid to do the same thing to Griffin as you have done. Why don't you get this?

 

[Sharkinva]

Agreed. But just as we can't write the final chapter on Cousins right now it's equally stupid to do the same thing to Griffin as you have done. Why don't you get this?

Oh I get it. But I also realize that the failure rate of Option style QBs is astronomically higher than pocket passers. Why is it no one wants to accept this?? This is fact. Oh thats right, that would once again point out to the idea of trading up for RG3 was an experiment in insanity.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Oh I get it. But I also realize that the failure rate of Option style QBs is astronomically higher than pocket passers. Why is it no one wants to accept this?? This is fact. Oh thats right, that would once again point out to the idea of trading up for RG3 was an experiment in insanity.

That's like saying 20 years ago the failure rate of black QBs is higher than white QBs so we shouldn't have a black QB. The game has changed. The best team in football has a QB who is not a traditional pocket QB, so does the team who has played in the past 3 NFC Championship Game.

Robert Griffin is not Bobby Douglass, He is not an "option style QB". That description fits those Oklahmma QBs of the 70's. Robert Griffin throws the ball very very well. He has a very strong, accurate arm. He throws it better than Michael Vick. He throws it better than Bobby Dougles. And he throws it better than Kirk Cousins.

 

[Sharkinva]

That's like saying 20 years ago the failure rate of black QBs is higher than white QBs so we shouldn't have a black QB. The game has changed. The best team in football has a QB who is not a traditional pocket QB, so does the team who has played in the past 3 NFC Championship Game.

Robert Griffin is not Bobby Douglass, He is not an "option style QB". That description fits those Oklahmma QBs of the 70's. Robert Griffin throws the ball very very well. He has a very strong, accurate arm. He throws it better than Michael Vick. He throws it better than Bobby Dougles. And he throws it better than Kirk Cousins.

Look dude, its not worth banging our heads any more. YOu think he is worth it, I think the Skins will regret making the move. He can throw the prettiest ball on the planet, he reads defenses like my blind aunt, holds onto the ball too long and unles we are running the read option fails to get into a rhythm until late in the game. High ceiling dont mean jack to me. Its just a term used to justify over extending or being overly committed to a struggling player.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Look dude, its not worth banging our heads any more. YOu think he is worth it, I think the Skins will regret making the move. He can throw the prettiest ball on the planet, he reads defenses like my blind aunt, holds onto the ball too long and unles we are running the read option fails to get into a rhythm until late in the game. High ceiling dont mean jack to me. Its just a term used to justify over extending or being overly committed to a struggling player.

Know what's great about this place? You put up a post to Shark and by the time you come back he has responded nearly every time. Damn dude you got a job or what?

Just to be clear do I think right now, today, Griff is worth what we gave up? No. No I do not and I have never said he is. But I do think it was worth the risk and the difference in our positions is I believe it is not a done deal that he will never work out and you do. I'm willing to give it time, you have already written the final chapter on a 24 year old player and to me that's just crazy.