DOJ drops its case against Bonds

[msgkings322]

When Kobe Bryant was the same age as Bonds was in that picture he could not do 1 bench press of 185lbs. He must have used steroids to get as strong as he is. That is your logic. People do work hard and people lift weights and improve themselves.

Um, Kobe has almost certainly used many PEDs.

Dude, I'm as big a Bonds fan as there is. He was the best in baseball BEFORE using, then he saw lesser mopes like McGwire and Sosa get all the love, so he said I'll show you all and became the best in baseball after using.

But he did use. Like so many others.

And he is a no doubt Hall of Famer.

 

[Hangman]

Lmao

Its not an opinion. His hat size changed.

Baseless...good lord.

It did not. The equipment manager of the Giants said it was the same size he always had.

 

[Hangman]

Tom bradys "dr" wasnt popped by the DEA.

Neither was Barry Bond's Dr. You can't stop lying and making things up can you?

 

[Hangman]

Um, Kobe has almost certainly used many PEDs.

Dude, I'm as big a Bonds fan as there is. He was the best in baseball BEFORE using, then he saw lesser mopes like McGwire and Sosa get all the love, so he said I'll show you all and became the best in baseball after using.

But he did use. Like so many others.

And he is a no doubt Hall of Famer.

And that is based on what? Just your opinion?

 

[msgkings322]

And that is based on what? Just your opinion?

TrueNiners, is that you?

Let's try it another way. Do you think any baseball players (besides Bonds) have ever taken steroids? Also, do you think any players have taken them without ever being caught/failing a test/admitting it? Just curious where you come from here. You might feel that hardly any players have, and Bonds is one who hasn't. Or you might be so blinded by Bonds love that you just think he is the only one being unfairly targeted, which is kind of insane.

 

[Hangman]

I think there are many players who took steroids and were never caught and some that have been accused with no proof. I do believe that you are innocent until there is some evidence of guilt. The taxpayers paid millions to find that proof against Bonds and none was found. They went off of an ex-girlfriend's word to make their case and pure speculation. How many of you had an ex lie about you? I know I have.

The reason I know people are basing all their opinions on other peoples opinions is that they had zero proof and had to get him on something else that later was overturned because of lack of proof.

I don't see other great players under the same kind of scrutiny as Bonds. But due to the media's hatred of him they made things up and speculated and the sheep of the sporting world ate it up.

Griffey for one had a lot of the bad symptoms of using steroids but no one ever accused him because he is a nice guy. A-Rod was that way too until he confessed. Remember how many reporters and columnists were saying his would be the real record? Now they can't wait for him to get out of baseball. Nomar and Pedro are two others who might have used, but again nothing. Players are hunted and pecked as possible steroid users due to media likability. And even with no evidence they accuse someone and people who don't think for themselves swallow it up.

 

[Hangman]

And to answer your question. If you confessed or got caught then you are guilty of steroid use. Otherwise no proof. I would rather see someone who used steroids and was not caught get into the hall than someone who didn't use steroids but didn't make the hall because of speculation and or hatred due to being rude to them at some point.

Why the press votes for players is beyond me. Most of them are biased assholes. It should be up to former players and coaches.

 

[Rock Strongo]

It did not. The equipment manager of the Giants said it was the same size he always had.

You know he was a pirate right?

 

[Rock Strongo]

Neither was Barry Bond's Dr. You can't stop lying and making things up can you?

Mea culpa

Greg Anderson was indicted by a federal grand jury. Oops?

BALCO scandal

In 2003, Barry Bonds became embroiled in a scandal when Greg Anderson of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO), Bonds' trainer since 2000, was indicted by a federal grand jury in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California and charged with supplying anabolic steroids to athletes, including a number of baseball players.

 

[msgkings322]

I think there are many players who took steroids and were never caught and some that have been accused with no proof. I do believe that you are innocent until there is some evidence of guilt. The taxpayers paid millions to find that proof against Bonds and none was found. They went off of an ex-girlfriend's word to make their case and pure speculation. How many of you had an ex lie about you? I know I have.

The reason I know people are basing all their opinions on other peoples opinions is that they had zero proof and had to get him on something else that later was overturned because of lack of proof.

I don't see other great players under the same kind of scrutiny as Bonds. But due to the media's hatred of him they made things up and speculated and the sheep of the sporting world ate it up.

Griffey for one had a lot of the bad symptoms of using steroids but no one ever accused him because he is a nice guy. A-Rod was that way too until he confessed. Remember how many reporters and columnists were saying his would be the real record? Now they can't wait for him to get out of baseball. Nomar and Pedro are two others who might have used, but again nothing. Players are hunted and pecked as possible steroid users due to media likability. And even with no evidence they accuse someone and people who don't think for themselves swallow it up.

So all those players might have used, except Bonds? Or are we all swallowing it up with respect to McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, I-Rod, A-Rod, Braun, etc etc and accusing them all unfairly? Why couldn't Bonds be one of the players who 'used but were never caught' (your words)?

I agree with you that Bonds got chased down by a stupid witch hunt, because he was a dick to the media. I even agree there's no smoking gun. But there isn't one on those others you mentioned either. So did no one use? Forget proof and ex-girlfriends. Where's there's smoke there's fire, and lots of people used, and to think everyone but Bonds did is just asinine. As is to think no one did.

There are many players that used. Many are rumored to have done so, and many are thought to be clean. Bonds had a ton of circumstantial reasons for us to think he used (have you read Game of Shadows?). Simple logic dictates that he almost assuredly used, because he fits the profile. And since you agree many used, why can't you believe that reasonable people can think he did? It's not ignorance or a witchhunt. It's "players used....which ones? Can't prove it but all signs point to Bonds, Clemens, and many others"

Why is it so important to you to deny the common sense obvious conclusion? As I said above, Bonds was the best before and after using, and he is a NO DOUBT Hall of Famer (as is Clemens). You can keep typing in this vein, but you are sounding a bit unhinged about it. You can be a huge Bonds/Giants fan and still acknowledge he used. Heck, Willie Mays' locker was reportedly the place to go before a game for pill to give you a boost on the field....

 

[Rock Strongo]

"Barry Bonds didnt do steroids "


This is rich. Somewhere jose and his 9 fingers are laughing.

 

[msgkings322]

Mea culpa

Greg Anderson was indicted by a federal grand jury. Oops?

BALCO scandal

In 2003, Barry Bonds became embroiled in a scandal when Greg Anderson of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO), Bonds' trainer since 2000, was indicted by a federal grand jury in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California and charged with supplying anabolic steroids to athletes, including a number of baseball players.

I hope you are equally sure David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez used too, correct?

 

[Hangman]

Mea culpa

Greg Anderson was indicted by a federal grand jury. Oops?

BALCO scandal

In 2003, Barry Bonds became embroiled in a scandal when Greg Anderson of the Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative (BALCO), Bonds' trainer since 2000, was indicted by a federal grand jury in the United States District Court for the Northern District of California and charged with supplying anabolic steroids to athletes, including a number of baseball players.

That was not his doctor. That was a friend and his trainer. Know the difference? You even quoted it was his trainer.

 

[Rock Strongo]

I hope you are equally sure David Ortiz and Manny Ramirez used too, correct?

Duh. What a strange attempt that was.

 

[Rock Strongo]

That was not his doctor. That was a friend and his trainer. Know the difference? You even quoted it was his trainer.

You must be new to the internet.

I said "dr".

 

[Hangman]

So all those players might have used, except Bonds? Or are we all swallowing it up with respect to McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, Clemens, I-Rod, A-Rod, Braun, etc etc and accusing them all unfairly? Why couldn't Bonds be one of the players who 'used but were never caught' (your words)?

I agree with you that Bonds got chased down by a stupid witch hunt, because he was a dick to the media. I even agree there's no smoking gun. But there isn't one on those others you mentioned either. So did no one use? Forget proof and ex-girlfriends. Where's there's smoke there's fire, and lots of people used, and to think everyone but Bonds did is just asinine. As is to think no one did.

There are many players that used. Many are rumored to have done so, and many are thought to be clean. Bonds had a ton of circumstantial reasons for us to think he used (have you read Game of Shadows?). Simple logic dictates that he almost assuredly used, because he fits the profile. And since you agree many used, why can't you believe that reasonable people can think he did? It's not ignorance or a witchhunt. It's "players used....which ones? Can't prove it but all signs point to Bonds, Clemens, and many others"

Why is it so important to you to deny the common sense obvious conclusion? As I said above, Bonds was the best before and after using, and he is a NO DOUBT Hall of Famer (as is Clemens). You can keep typing in this vein, but you are sounding a bit unhinged about it. You can be a huge Bonds/Giants fan and still acknowledge he used. Heck, Willie Mays' locker was reportedly the place to go before a game for pill to give you a boost on the field....

I'm saying until there is proof he didn't use. Common sense is wrong a lot of the times.

 

[Rock Strongo]

Barrys clean. Im in the Russian mob. Youre not naive. Its all relative.

 

[msgkings322]

Duh. What a strange attempt that was.

Attempt at what? Just seeing if you are a Bonds hater or a simple steroids realist.

 

[Rock Strongo]

I'm saying until there is proof he didn't use. Common sense is wrong a lot of the times.

So did david Ortiz use PEDs?

Clemens?

 

[msgkings322]

I'm saying until there is proof he didn't use. Common sense is wrong a lot of the times.

So until there's proof, no one used? You just said many used but weren't caught. Why couldn't Barry be one of them? Forget common sense, that's just illogical. Again: there are many who used who didn't get caught (your words). Bonds didn't get caught, but by the prior statement that means nothing as to whether or not he used. Because many who used never got caught.

To think Bonds is not one of the many who used but never got caught is really really Bonds homerish. And while it's your right to have that opinion, you won't convince many others. Including Giants fans like myself.