does anyone else?

[nj_cup]

because sykora or elias or zubrus can skate with kovalchuk or parise or henrque for that.

i dont even want to hear the notion of putting clarkson with 1 of them. nor do i want to hear putting joffenson with 1 of them

parise/kovalchuk/henrquie play a totally different game then the 2nd line down.

top line is more run and gun explosive quick transition. 2ndline is more of a puck possesion line and the 3rd line is a grind it out in the corners garbage goal line.


they dont mix well

 

[TheRobotDevil]

because sykora or elias or zubrus can skate with kovalchuk or parise or henrque for that. i dont even want to hear the notion of putting clarkson with 1 of them. nor do i want to hear putting joffenson with 1 of them parise/kovalchuk/henrquie play a totally different game then the 2nd line down. top line is more run and gun explosive quick transition. 2ndline is more of a puck possesion line and the 3rd line is a grind it out in the corners garbage goal line. they dont mix well

I really hope your not being serious are you new to the game?Parise has proven to be more productive without Kovy and Kovy has proven to be more productive without Zach.beside the point They have both been productive alongside the players you have listed that you seem to think cant skate with them.Common sense put your best players on one line teams key in on that line.I can post stats of their production without each other and examples of line distribution from the top teams in the league to back this up if you would like but your statement is assenine.

 

[nj_cup]

your right go ahead put clarkson on the 1st line. im sure he will be more then able to keep up with kovalchuk and henrque. i bet you actually believe that if clarkson WAS on the 1st line from the start of the season he would still have his 16 goals? OR even MORE? lol yeah thats what i thought

 

[TheRobotDevil]

your right go ahead put clarkson on the 1st line. im sure he will be more then able to keep up with kovalchuk and henrque. i bet you actually believe that if clarkson WAS on the 1st line from the start of the season he would still have his 16 goals? OR even MORE? lol yeah thats what i thought

Another quality post Whether you want to believe it or not other players are capable of playing with Parise and Kovy.They also bring other aspects that change the dynamic of the line which also open other options up.If you read my posts splitting the line also creates more ice time where you are doubling the time either Parise or kovalchuk are on the ice also increasing the potential for one or both of them to score more.Why lump our two best goal scorers on one line when its not a one line game and it is not working.Or maybe your right leave the line together and just turn the line changes off.

 

[nj_cup]

i think clarkson has 16 goals this year becuase he isnt facing the top line defense of the other team. i think sykora is having a solid year for the same reason. split up parise and kovalchuk and you weaken the top line. no socialism spread the wealth here.....put your big boys on the top line and let our best try and beat the other teams best is all i say

 

[TheRobotDevil]

i think clarkson has 16 goals this year becuase he isnt facing the top line defense of the other team. i think sykora is having a solid year for the same reason. split up parise and kovalchuk and you weaken the top line. no socialism spread the wealth here.....put your big boys on the top line and let our best try and beat the other teams best is all i say

Balance the attack and either Parise or Kovalchuk are not facing the top line defense of the other team.If Clarkson can net 16 or Sykora could have a solid year for the same reason what are Kovy or Zach capable of in the same position.This is my point balance the attack and dont let the opposing team lock in on one line.Putting all your eggs in one basket may work against some of the weaker teams but if we want a legitmate shot at beating solid teams balance will be vital.This was extremely evident against boston and philly where ther parise kovy line was shut down

 

[nj_cup]

All season long who do you think has been defending the top line of this team...answer the top defense of the other team. Thus one reason you can explain why clarkson and sykora are having solid years. Parise kovalchuk have enough skill to overcome the defense i believe...change them up and spread the talent sounds like a goodplan...until you talk about clarkson skating with kovalchuk or Parise with elias and sykora. It hampers their games as well

 

[TiLoBrown]

Do Crosby and Malkin play on the same line?

 

[rp2five]

If they keep losing, the lines will change.
Clarkson isn't that slow. He could work with Parise and Henrique.
Kovalchuk sometimes plays more east west, similar to Elias. Parise and Henrique are more north south.
I want to keep Parise and Kovy together too for now, but they will be split up if the team gets on a bad losing streak.

 

[nj_cup]

Are Parise and kovalchuk as good or better then malkin or crosby?

 

[nj_cup]

When you have the 1a and 1b best players in the world. Not just their position but in the world...then yes i think it makes sense to split them up. Also we are talking there about two centers which is totally different then a winger

 

[TiLoBrown]

I was asking a simple question, which it looks like I cant even do around here without it getting turned in a fucking argument. Now you see what I mean Clarkson. You know where to find me.

 

[nj_cup]

Hmmmmmm. No.....is that easy enough of a read? Didn't think 4 sentences were much

 

[TheRobotDevil]

When you have the 1a and 1b best players in the world. Not just their position but in the world...then yes i think it makes sense to split them up. Also we are talking there about two centers which is totally different then a winger

When you have the 1a and 1b player on your team it makes just as much sense to split them .It is the same exact concept you approve but on a smaller scale.Factor in one playing the off wing and being taken out of his natural position where he was the best that justifies a split that much more.Thank you for proving my point.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

Are Parise and kovalchuk as good or better then malkin or crosby?

Does Malkin perform better without Crosby? The rest of the hockey world knows the answer to this without question.And tilo made a very valid point that is one of many examples of balancing your attack

 

[TiLoBrown]

Do Crosby and Malkin play on the same line?

Are Parise and kovalchuk as good or better then malkin or crosby?

When you have the 1a and 1b best players in the world. Not just their position but in the world...then yes i think it makes sense to split them up. Also we are talking there about two centers which is totally different then a winger

Fuck you, you fucking troll. I asked a simple fucking question and you try to turn it in to a fucking argument like you do with every fucking thread you fucking post in. I dont know why you do it, I dont give a shit why the fuck you do it, the problem is you fucking do it and have to fucking desire to stop. This shit is fucking ridiculous and I dont see any fucking end in sight, which is a fucking shame considering what this place was supposed to be about.

 

[nj_cup]

When you have the 1a and 1b player on your team it makes just as much sense to split them .It is the same exact concept you approve but on a smaller scale.Factor in one playing the off wing and being taken out of his natural position where he was the best that justifies a split that much more.Thank you for proving my point.

your talking about putting 2 centers who are the best players IN THE WORLD on the same line? and comparing that to putting 2 lw's together on the same line (when they arent the best players in the world at their position)? because if you are then that really isnt the same thing since centers by default (imo) are playmakers first and scorers second. the difference with these 2 are that they are just as good shooting as they are passing. so its not really the same thing.


so to answer the question no i wouldnt want my 2 best centers playing on the same line.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

your talking about putting 2 centers who are the best players IN THE WORLD on the same line? and comparing that to putting 2 lw's together on the same line (when they arent the best players in the world at their position)? because if you are then that really isnt the same thing since centers by default (imo) are playmakers first and scorers second. the difference with these 2 are that they are just as good shooting as they are passing. so its not really the same thing.


so to answer the question no i wouldnt want my 2 best centers playing on the same line.

By that logic centers are more talented than wingers which would make them more able to adapt.Not to mention being a center makes it easier to move to the wing without being put on an off wing.This put your 2 best offensive weapons has been tried by Pittsburgh among several other theams throughout history and has failed in a lot more cases than it has succeded.Didn't work in Colorado either when they tried it with Sakic and Forsberg only to see them split again.I also like the way you have not acknowledge Clarksons "3rd line goals" Just to give you an update 5 of Clarksons goals were PP goals tied for second on the team with kovy while playing with guys he can't skate with and 6 of his goals were while skating on the 1st or 2nd line.I can post videos if you would like funny thing how many of the primary assists on Clarksons goals went to Parise.But its ok I find your Clarkson hate and talking in circles amusing.Would be nice however if you could base any of your arguements on facts rather than speculation and lack of research.

 

[TheRobotDevil]

where did Cup go I was hoping for an explanation as to how Clarkson cant skate with the 1st or 2nd line when 11 of his 16 goals where scored with first and second line players.Or do you still think those goals were scored on the 3rd line

 

[nj_cup]

By that logic centers are more talented than wingers which would make them more able to adapt.Not to mention being a center makes it easier to move to the wing without being put on an off wing.This put your 2 best offensive weapons has been tried by Pittsburgh among several other theams throughout history and has failed in a lot more cases than it has succeded.Didn't work in Colorado either when they tried it with Sakic and Forsberg only to see them split again.I also like the way you have not acknowledge Clarksons "3rd line goals" Just to give you an update 5 of Clarksons goals were PP goals tied for second on the team with kovy while playing with guys he can't skate with and 6 of his goals were while skating on the 1st or 2nd line.I can post videos if you would like funny thing how many of the primary assists on Clarksons goals went to Parise.But its ok I find your Clarkson hate and talking in circles amusing.Would be nice however if you could base any of your arguements on facts rather than speculation and lack of research.

i love these arguments with numbers....i'm glad clarkson has 5ppg's but seeing how that is a * stat...i should know because when i tried to use kovalchuks power play points to count towards his +/- i got laughed at....so you cant use the stat one way and against another way. the whole argument with centers doesnt make sense....you said it was tried in pitt and other times and failed? well no duh isnt that why i said i wouldnt do it in the 1st place?

imo centers make other people on their line better by getting them the puck. wingers imo then are suppose to finish it. so why would you want your two best play making centers on the same line? so they can give the puck to only 1 average player. instead if you split them up you can have the two of them give the puck to 4 average players?