do we miss rak ?

[ehb5]

I will call a spade a spade on this one. For a coach to come into a completely dysfunctional environment and have early success is generally sheer luck dude. More often than not, the new guy coming into a situation like ours is likely to fail because we have established a track record of impatience. If Gruden gets fired, it likely means we finished poorly, very poorly. Which means the next coach to come in is looking for more than just a QB. Throw in the fact that while we have some talent, we also have some AGE to consider. HAving no QB in that situation, and needing to replace Hatcher, Jackson, Garcon AND still find a QB... even with Scott Mc running things, the odds that we get

1. A top notch coach
2. Replace all of the needed parts within two off seasons
3 Also find a QB.....

Lets just say that I wouldnt bet on those odds.

Yes if Gruden gets fired SOME ONE will take the job. But the odds of it being another Gruden, Zorn or Spurrior go up with every game this season. Now ours might not be totally dysfunctional at the end of the year. But firing Gruden with three years left on his deal does not paint the model of a place where a coach will be given time to fix what ails this team. Thus no one WORTH a real shot is going to be itching to take this job.

I just disagree. I think there are plenty of quality future coaches out there and I think you could get some of them to take the job.

 

[ehb5]

we arent debating that or at least i am not . i have consistently said if you fire gruden in 2 years or left no decent coach will take the job because he wont get to put in his system

i believe it will take 3 years for a new coach to year 1 , see what he has , year 2 get the players he wants , year 3 everything to jell

a decent coach is going to want to go into a situation that he has a chance to succeed in . this team needs a qb has age in some key areas and an impatient owner with off field drama to boot

Well idk what to say at that point cuz we're just back where we started. I think we can fire gruden and still hire a good coach. You disagree. I don't know what else to say lol.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Well idk what to say at that point cuz we're just back where we started. I think we can fire gruden and still hire a good coach. You disagree. I don't know what else to say lol.

You could always say something about Rak.

 

[j_y19]

Well idk what to say at that point cuz we're just back where we started. I think we can fire gruden and still hire a good coach. You disagree. I don't know what else to say lol.

Both of you guys are talking in absolute terms. Is it possible that we could hire a good coach? Of course. But the reality is that this is a place where coaches go to see their careers die and any potential candidate pool knows this. Dad is right. No potential HC worth anything is coming here unless this is his only option. So we either end up with a coach that comes here out of desperation (which means they are flawed) or they are completely raw and potentially not ready. The chances are greater that you end up with a zorn or Gruden or spurrier than a coach like Arians or harbaugh. Every year, there are 7 or 8 HC vacancies. Any candidate is going to look at our situation and realize that they will not be given the time needed to implement their scheme. History dictates that. So if they have the opportunity, they take the job with another team that has the patience. Which means that we are only getting th.e candidates that have been passed up by the other 6-7 teams looking for a HC. Wash, rinse, repeat.

 

[ehb5]

You could always say something about Rak.

I dont regret us letting him go.